Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And instead of forcing these major changes down our throats, go back to an annual "Major Release" with minor change and added content with current schedule?

Some of these things need to be evaluated and tested thoroughly before they go live. There's not enough people actually on SiSi to qualify these major changes as "tested". A 6 week release schedule hardly does either. Come on CCP slow your roll.

You're going far too fast on big changes, and not fast enough on the little things. Like for example, CSPA. Really? It took you 10 years to realize what a useless thing that is? Seriously I figured THAT crap out in 30 seconds. And its a "feature" in Scylla? That should have been a bug patch like 9 years ago.

wow there has been several rule breakers, check this one out...

you want risk vs reward, a carrier vs a bunch of frigs isn't ballanced.

Given the sov changes announced, I don't have words to describe how offensive and disrespectful is your post to all capital pilots in EVE, whom are condemned to use carriers for ratting, Dreads to shoot poses and Supercarriers ONLY to shoot pocos.
We train for years and spend gorilions to get ******* to the deepest part of our **** so kids that fly t1 cruisers are happy.
Risk-reward.. ayy lmao.

The fact that there are people against the change does not mean they have to cancel it. They can take your feedback into account but still think their solution is the best one after seeing all the proposed other ideas and argument against their own solution.

The problem many people have right now is they think the only way they can take feedback into account is to go with what people said but this is not what it actually mean. Taking things into consideration does not prevent you from not changing your decision.

I honestly believe that those words and these topic thread in general are just here to try and appease us. I have seen no indication that the devs ever seriously take our feedback into consideration on the great majority of things, not just this specific issue. While we have had a couple of victories (ie. freighter rigs being changed to lowslots) the majority of the time I get the feeling that the devs have locked down their ideas and just give us this crap as an illusion that our opinions might actually matter. The whole 'we hear the concerns' comes off as completely insincere to me because almost all I have ever seen in regards to capitals is nerf after nerf with little to nothing given back. The one case where they actually gave us a buff by making mods and skills affect fighters ended up with them just completely removing a decade-old mechanic rather than going back and fixing things.

Then they say it's tears from us. Well, until they get their way it's their tears. So back and forth with the tear jerking. Until the dust settles and everyone just Adapts and Overcomes. Then someone whines about the next "broken thing that's op and not letting us kill capitals with t1 frigs".

Same sh!t, different pile, bigger lumps.

Corollary: The fact that CCP introduced said change does not mean they have to go forward / that it's good.
Alternate corollary: Just because someone's defending a feature does not mean that feature is inherently bad. That's called a Kafkatrap.

Wait... did someone finally get to fixing CSPA? and they didn't remove ISK as the fix either?

If they ask for feedback, and just about everyone who's actually taken the time to type out a reasonable response has been in opposition for this change, whereas everyone who came here to support the change shitposts or says "lol tears" or Kafkatraps people, what does that say? And more importantly, what does it say for the future of EVE if CCP refuses to acknowledge any of the valid arguments against the change, or the numerous alternate ideas suggested?

I waited to reply in this thread as I wanted to see what SOV changes coming are, and now that we know there is no more grinding structures with damage, supers arent useful for that either. Which leaves supers and titans as big SMA's logged off in space.

First of all, I have to say I am deeply disappointed with CCP for just "removing" the functionality. I will give you all the reason for it here:

There are different mechanics in play in lowsec and Nullsec today:

Lowsec:
* Possible to stay outside dickstar with carrier or super carrier and dip into shields within 20 sec if something happens on grid.
* Super is not web-able, so super gets in. Carrier can be webbed
* Possible to sit at online POS with no forcefield, open the management window and enter password and shield goes up if something happens on grid.
* NO bubbles allowed in Lowsec. This means, the delegated/assigned fighters nerf makes SENSE in Lowsec as it is too overpowered vs the risk. It is fair to say it is "safer" to use carrier/super on grid in a fight in Lowsec.

NullSec:
* Carrier and Super can be bubbled by a 40m isk interdictor, and get tackled.
* Fighters can track bad a fast moving agile ship if tank is in lowslots and mids.
* Due to the fact that a super carrier drones can not track a cheap 40m interdictor, a "safer" environment with lower dps should be allowed for a 30b ship incl fittings.
* Therefore the POS mechanic as sitting outside POS should be ALLOWED to delegate fighters (not the bombers), mabye minimum 20km off the POS forcefield. Still exposing the super carrier and can be tackled. It is all about a players preparations with the POS that can save him.

General:
* Sitting next to online POS with no forcefield, seems to me as a exploit. I used it myself to jump supers and carriers around, and it is fairly safe to move like that with a small POS, launch a cyno next to online stick, and once carriers are on grid, enter password and shield is up. This functionality should be removed together with delegating fighters that close to the POS stick itself.

There is alot of fun a single player can do with delegated fighters in nullsec, lots of fun small fights because of it. whether you loose or win. I agree to expose the super carrier or carrier more, but not nerf it totally from nullsec. I can easy see why this should be nerfed in lowsec, as there are less danger in the fact that no bubbles are allowed, so if you want to gate camp with fighters, ok, expose your super or carrier on that gate, as you can not get bubbled. But in nullsec you get bubbled easily. You should still be able to get tackled/bubbled and exposing super/carrier more in null, but again, removing the delegation/assignment of fighters in null is totally unreasonable as it is a fun mechanic for all parties.

What CCP will see if they remove delegation/assignment in null, is that they will only see subcap fights, no cap fights, as cap usage only will be used when system is safe or no hostile fleet is near. so stacking up more supers in game is gonna happen. Supers will not be used for ratting where you assign/delegate fighters anymore, so it wont get exposed with that, unless someone uses a super on grid offcourse.

There will be more nullsec stagnation due to this nerf.

The fights will be done when its "safer", wait a few days until attack happens again.

repeat - repeat - rinse - die - repeat subcaps.

Reasonable nerf in Lowsec
Unreasonable nerf in Nullsec