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Caldari T3 Destroyer next?

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Ares Desideratus
UNSAFE SPACE
#21 - 2015-02-19 16:36:06 UTC
Etocoreda Grey wrote:
I'd like it if the caldari dessie was an upgrade from my hookbill that used ROCKETS. Although i don't know if T3 dessie is really meant to fill that role. Worm and garmur are missle only.

The Worm is very far from a missile boat. It gets like 40 DPS with rockets. You can have Gallente frig at level 1 and still fly it just as effectively. It's kind of weird actually. The drones are what makes the ship OP
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#22 - 2015-02-19 20:07:12 UTC
Watch CCP give it only bonuses to defender missiles. I would laugh myself dead .

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Jallukola
#23 - 2015-02-19 22:04:44 UTC
Chance Ravinne wrote:
Watch CCP give it only bonuses to defender missiles. I would laugh myself dead .

You wouldn't certainly be the only one at that.

All posts and mails screencapped and time stamped, including out of EVE, you will not reverse on me.

Might come in handy!

Mary Killigrew
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-02-20 14:55:19 UTC
Tiberius Rexius wrote:

...
defence bonus would be
% boost ammount
and shield resist % ammount
...


Get out. Arrow
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-02-20 15:07:36 UTC
I'm personally thrilled for my future Mega-Harpy or 10mn LML rageboat.

There really isn't much CCP can do to make this one not-amazing to the point of quite easily being problematic unless they seriously break the mold on what Caldari ships usually do or just make it bad.
Aursentris
Council of Stellar Erections
#26 - 2015-02-20 16:14:42 UTC
Caldari Tactical Destroyer Bonuses Per Level:
5% bonus to Smartbomb damage
10% bonus to Smartbomb optimal range
10% bonus to Afterburner velocity bonus

Role Bonus:
Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device
Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 15 seconds

Additional bonuses are available when one of three Tactical Destroyer Modes are active. Modes may be changed no more than once every 10 seconds.
Defense Mode:
60% bonus to shield resistances while Defense Mode is active
200% bonus to smartbomb damage
Propulsion Mode:
40% bonus to maximum velocity while Propulsion Mode is active
25% bonus to Afterburner speed while Propulsion Mode is active
Sharpshooter Mode:
100% bonus to Smartbomb optimal range while Sharpshooter Mode is active
60% bonus to the capacitor recharge rate while Sharpshooter Mode is active
Agent Unknown
Blackout Brigade
Already Replaced.
#27 - 2015-02-20 16:46:12 UTC
Aursentris wrote:
Caldari Tactical Destroyer Bonuses Per Level:
5% bonus to Smartbomb damage
10% bonus to Smartbomb optimal range
10% bonus to Afterburner velocity bonus

Role Bonus:
Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device
Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 15 seconds

Additional bonuses are available when one of three Tactical Destroyer Modes are active. Modes may be changed no more than once every 10 seconds.
Defense Mode:
60% bonus to shield resistances while Defense Mode is active
200% bonus to smartbomb damage
Propulsion Mode:
40% bonus to maximum velocity while Propulsion Mode is active
25% bonus to Afterburner speed while Propulsion Mode is active
Sharpshooter Mode:
100% bonus to Smartbomb optimal range while Sharpshooter Mode is active
60% bonus to the capacitor recharge rate while Sharpshooter Mode is active


15km standard smartbombs in sharpshooter? Sign me up. Pirate
Mary Killigrew
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-02-20 16:47:52 UTC
I wish CCP was this innovative. XCry
Caleb Seremshur
Naked Oiled Bodybuilders
Parasitic Legion.
#29 - 2015-02-22 10:15:22 UTC
Hagika wrote:
Caldari already has 2 missile destroyers and only 1 hybrid. The new T3 Dessie should be rail fit with ridiculous range.


And then what will the gallente destroyer be? A glorified algos?
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-02-22 23:33:40 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Caldari already has 2 missile destroyers and only 1 hybrid. The new T3 Dessie should be rail fit with ridiculous range.


And then what will the gallente destroyer be? A glorified algos?


Pocket Vexor / Pocket Deimos would both be perfectly good options.
Shelom Severasse
Project Omega Industries
Evictus.
#31 - 2015-02-23 04:45:22 UTC
Jallukola wrote:
Yes it's a bit early to talk about this, but I wonder what sort of bonuses should the ship see. Purists and history lovers would argue missile systems over hybrids, but I think Claradi has already plenty of missile boats at disposal, and Caldari deserves more hybird platform love IMO.

When the time comes, Gallente can keep their drone bonuses for all I care like they have for ages already, but I think purism with Caldari's T3 would be a waste.

But I also feel this would be a perfect opportunity to break a certain formula; Yes all 4 factions have access to Drone capabilities, and out of the 4 factions, 3 have Missile ships. Perharps CCP should blow a hole unto this titanic instead let it be miscruised. Give Caldari their Hybrid bonuses in time, but make Gallente's T3 Destroyer a Missile Ship.

this is a horrible idea.

amarr should be laser oriented
minmatar should be projectile oriented
caldari should be missile oriented
and gallente should be hybrid oriented
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#32 - 2015-02-23 05:14:16 UTC
my bets are on 50km AOE ECM burst in defense mode

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#33 - 2015-02-23 05:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Shelom Severasse wrote:
Jallukola wrote:
Yes it's a bit early to talk about this, but I wonder what sort of bonuses should the ship see. Purists and history lovers would argue missile systems over hybrids, but I think Claradi has already plenty of missile boats at disposal, and Caldari deserves more hybird platform love IMO.

When the time comes, Gallente can keep their drone bonuses for all I care like they have for ages already, but I think purism with Caldari's T3 would be a waste.

But I also feel this would be a perfect opportunity to break a certain formula; Yes all 4 factions have access to Drone capabilities, and out of the 4 factions, 3 have Missile ships. Perharps CCP should blow a hole unto this titanic instead let it be miscruised. Give Caldari their Hybrid bonuses in time, but make Gallente's T3 Destroyer a Missile Ship.

this is a horrible idea.

amarr should be laser oriented
minmatar should be projectile oriented
caldari should be missile oriented
and gallente should be hybrid oriented

Firstly, let me say that I would be thrilled if the Caldari D3 is missile oriented.
Now, with that out of the way I do not expect it to be. Call me a pessimist but I fully expect it to be a mini-Naga, fitting rails and getting a bonus to optimal in sharpshooter, or some other bonus that serves the Caldari seconday weapon system of hybrids. If it is not a mini-Naga, which I doubt, but instead is a missile boat I expect it will be largely underpowered and niche, and overall better off forgotten since it it my personal opinion that there are those at CCP who are not big fans of missiles.
Now, that might seem like a rant, and it is, but I think it will probably prove to be accurate. Unless they go really wonky and make it some sort of EWAR boat, in which case the better decision will likely, as it always is, to bring a Falcon.

What would I like to see? Well, if it is a LML boat the forums will alight with cries of OP before there are 10 of them in game, so it would have to be a rocket boat to even have a chance. Sharpshooter should increase rocket range significantly, I would prefer rocket velocity over flight time. Defensive mode is tricky, but missiles are usually touted as a small gang ship, benefiting from help, so why not give it a boost to the increase from shield extenders in defensive mode? This would let it survive until reps land without the **** storm of giving it resists. As for the zippy mode, I really have no idea.

As always, have a nice day

Edit: I was wrong about it being a mini-Naga, but I'll hold back on whether it will be underpowered for now
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-02-23 15:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
i would love if they went crazy and did a mini naga. a true mini naga. as in, medium guns on a dessie, making it more of a cruiser pack hunter rather than a frig genocide machine like the rest of the dessies. ss mode (renamed "imma murder you" mode), activating bonus to medium guns (crappy unbonused in other modes), defensive mode and speed mode there pretty much to get in optimal range and oh sh!t button

but, realistically, i'm expecting something like, bonus to shield boost in def mode / reduction in shield boost cap cost, bonus to point range in sharpshooter mode since they already did gun range and tracking bonus.

speed mode, well, it being a squid ship, i'm gonna expect some sort of warp core stabs like bonus Roll
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-02-23 18:01:46 UTC
First - hybrids are not the Caldari "secondary weapon system." It's just as much a Caldari primary weapon system as missiles.

For that reason, I hope the Caldari T3 is hybrid/rail based; maybe a tracking bonus in sharpshooter mode (since we know rails have fairly horrible tracking - not the worst, but not great). Defense mode, I think either a shield resist bonus or perhaps cap usage reduction on shield booster use. Propulsion mode - I like the idea of a warp speed bonus - not as fast as an interceptor, obviously, but maybe on par or a little faster than your basic frigates.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Oscae
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-02-24 09:13:06 UTC
I really hope it's a missile boat, what with missiles being the primary Caldari weapons system, I think there are too many hybrid Caldari boats as is and I would not like to see the D3 become another.

It just becomes a wasted opportunity, like the Naga, which would have put a cruise/torp BC into the game but now we have two hybrid boats where you either chose range or damage.

I couldn't deal if there were two hybrid D3s it would just make them bland and uninteresting, at least to me.

Just my 0.02 ISK
Caleb Seremshur
Naked Oiled Bodybuilders
Parasitic Legion.
#37 - 2015-02-24 11:33:21 UTC
If the caldari D3 does get missiles then it should get a missile speed and range bonus in sharp shooter mode, as well as a reduction to missile explosion radius.

as for what else it get's I frankly couldn't give a damn, the biggest problem with missile vessels has always been targets outrunning your missiles (which is patently ridiculous, the acceleration of a missile in vacuum would be many times higher than a ship and the top speed over a given distance would be much higher too)
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2015-02-24 12:22:22 UTC
ccp will troll caldari community once again with hybrid-guns hull :D

People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back -  EvE

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-02-24 15:46:42 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
my bets are on 50km AOE ECM burst in defense mode


If the ECM strenght on this burst was high, I can already feel my teeth shredding to dust as I grind them while resisting the urge to scream at people bitching about logi not repping them...
Kamahl Daikun
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-02-25 00:01:50 UTC
I hope it's an ECM Boat.

Biggest problem with ECM Boats is how paper thin they are. Most mid slots are going to ECM with 1-2 left over to prop and enough buffer to not get one-shotted.

T3 Dessie's Defense Mode should give a bonus to ECM. Also enough Lows to Armor Tank. Speed won't be a problem in Prop mode. Sniper mode could give something stupid like 100km+ ECM Projection.

Because when you have 1 tank mod, range and speed help.