Warfare & Tactics

Need to learn the web trick.

Also you had no neut.

neuts can be put in turret slots

if u bring out a BS solo without a neut u deserve to lose it

Mega will ruin a frigs day if prepared for it

You, my friend, were not.

Web trick is as follows and depends on a couple of things:

1. Example frigate is using the game's automatic orbit at x00m function
2. You have a scram and at least one web
3. You have a neut <=====================


Basically the way the game calculates your orbit around a ship depends on a few things: agility, max velocity and what you set your orbit to.

If you have really good agility, you will be able to make tighter turns and therefore able to orbit very close and at your maximum velocity. If you have a very high max velocity compared to your agility (for example with a mwd on) then the speed you set to orbit at takes precedence and your orbit range will increase or decrease to match your desired speed<======THIS IS WHAT WE EXPLOIT.

So you have frig orbiting you with an AB on, most don't have the agility to do that at 500m at max velocity so it's more likely going to be orbiting at like 1000 or 2000 depending on how fat it is. As soon as a WEB is applied, it's max velocity is reduced by x%, the game suddenly goes "hey we can now orbit closer since our lower speed allows for it" and thus the frigate will often fly DIRECTLY AT YOU to establish the new orbit.

You use this opportunity to smash a few good ones in it's face, I have seen frigates literally being alphaed by medium/large guns at this point. However if it's not dead yet, funnily enough the opposite applies....

When you RELEASE the web, the game then sees your new max velocity and has to adjust to it, the resulting effect is that the newly unwebbed ship flies DIRECTLY AWAY FROM YOU to establish new orbit.

While doing this you should be attempting to fly away from it with prop mod on to neutralise as much trasnversal as possible.

Now due to the few conditions I set above, this won't always work. Interceptors are rarely automatically piloted so unlikely to ever hit a good one.

The scram is required because without it your target is still going to fly at 1km/s while webbed.

The web is required cause....

The neut is required to shut down afterburners, active reps etc. It's just an all-round anti frigate module for battleships.

Heed this person's advice. It is fabulous.

Situations where Tsukino's advice won't help is if the frigate pilot is flying manually or has manually reduced their speed to achieve a tighter orbit. There's something you can do in these situations too though. Assuming they're webbed and neuted out, select "Keep at Range" for about 7500m and pulse your MWD for one cycle. You will open range and if they're just orbiting they will fall into a perfect tail chase reducing transversal to practically zero. The risk here is that an alert frigate pilot will figure out what's going on in time to move the other way and get out of scram range.

In order to fit a point u have to lose a lot of needed utility. Generally my thought process was alpha would take out most targets quickly and thus I would drop the point. Or drive anything away that might attack.

Guess if I fly a BS I just need to fit a neut. However that still doesn't help if two frig attack at once. Can only neut one at a time. So the other one will still have me webbed and scrammed and thus I won't be able to pull range. BS are just too vulnerable to be used solo in most cases.

ITT: Better not reply to the good advice, can't continue rambling like an idiot



Snipes aside, How capable are Cruise/RHML typhoons for solo PVP?

You missed the point that this is in Lowsec.

As has been said, Battleships are fleet ships. THey are large, lumbering weapons platforms that can apply significant damage and absorb significant punishment, but need assistance from recons or Tech 3's to field EWar to help them apply it. Web Lokis or Huginns, point prots, Lach or Arazu, and so on.

The only grievance I have with Battleships is Tech 3s kind of take their job away. The Proteus in particular does BS damage, BS tank, cruiser sig, with BS range, and cruiser tracking. Seriously, a Rail Proteus with 170k EHP no links no slaves, 750+ damage, 160 sig rad, 500-ish m/s, and optimal of 20+30-ish with CNAM, and even farther out with mid-range ammo or Spike, all with decent tracking AS WELL as drones. You pay more, and lose skillpoints, sure, but it basically does the battleship's job better. Doesn't really mean BS are obsolete. Navy Apoc + Abaddon fleets are still very healthy in lowsec meta right now. However, T3 and Ishtar doctrines are giving them a run for their money.

Rambling like an idiot? Everything I said is backed up with real situations and facts, and kill mails. Most BS are terrible on their own. Without a neut they are totally defenseless, and apparently in order to even be used correctly in most cases require significant fleet support, implants, boosters, etc. Which honestly if you read all the posts, and the above sentence, it all spells out one thing...... MOST BS ARE TERRIBLE.

I am not talking about the exceptions to the rule such as the Machariel and Vindicator. I am talking about the general state of T1 BS. The more people try to defend them with "BS need this, and this, and that, and oh yea that too, in order to be effective" the more they speak volumes of truth about my original post.

Point is, a slow, slow warping, slow tracking, slow targeting, flying paper weight, that can be outdone by several cruiser hulls, but costs about 10 times as much and requires about 20 times as much to fly properly in order to get any use out of, is a broken game element. Period.

Where were you on my last thread, i agree with you, Neut is a must, i am currently working on a Scorpion ECM config for solo PvP, mainly for inter-corp duels, but still valid, thanks for those kill mails though, i will be going through them to find the do's and donts.