Crime & Punishment

I expect the ganked miner to reply to my "Buy a permit and follow the Code" Evemail with "Go stuff yourself pirate! I am not giving in to your extortion or following your stupid Code". I do not expect them to say "You are dead [expletive], I hope you get cancer and your children are raped" peppered with homophobic slurs.

My actions (and words) are of me playing a criminal in an Internet spaceship game. There is no excuse to "go even further" into the realm of personal insults and threats directed at me the player - in fact this is specifically against the EULA as well as general human decency. It is not acceptable - full stop - regardless of what psychology you are invoking to explain this behavior. If you want to discuss why the phenomenon of the "angry miner" exists we can, but in terms of responsibility, there is a clear line between taunting over in-game wins and losses, and personal threats/insults directed at the human player. We as players should have no tolerance for this latter behavior whoever is doing it - ganked miner or anyone else. This is a game we all voluntarily play for entertainment so if someone is unable to separate what happens in-game from real life and is suffering actual serious emotional damage from their in-game losses, they shouldn't be playing.

Nope. As a capsuleer you don't die in any meaningful sense.




No problems with the restaurant or the food.
Only issue is with the snobs at the table next to ours making loud and snide remarks about the inferior wine we are having with our meal.
It would probably also elevate the dining experience if their spoilt brat kids stopped pelting random diners with nachos.



Kitchen. Fires. Heat.
So very positively Gormenghast.
Kitchen design has moved on in the 21st century and most of us just install a range-hood or aircon.



You had to earn what exactly? Respect?
You are entitled to a basic level of respect coming into the game regardless of who you are.
According to you does progressing in Eve involve some atavistic rite of passage and after we pass the requisite number of trials we earn the respect of the "tribe" and are "allowed" to continue playing ? I guess I better go suicide gank someone quick then so James315 can run around me three times on the back of a goat before he affixes a Barney the Dinosaur sticker to my forehead , the alternative being my character gets biomassed.



It irks me coming across attitudes promoting some weird Darwinian approach to regulating who should be allowed to play a computer game.

Now maybe you should have a good, long , hard look at your post and consider whether your referencing of "whiney men" who need a bigger "pair" has strayed below the line of acceptable discourse.

And this, kids, is a prime example of everything we've been discussing in this thread. All this ranting and raving, inability to distinguish a fantasy game from reality. Constant mixing of permaban discussions (an action taken against a person), with in-game activities. Moral bankruptcy and everything!


Broken down, here's what Gorila has said: "Hey guys, Instead of shooting these guys in game, I'm gonna shoot those guys instead." All that ranting and raving for the equivalent of switching teams in a TF2 game. Anger and frustration over someone saying "I'mma use the boot instead of the racecar in this game of Monopoly."

You know, it might just blow some minds, but there are people who regularly fly as gankers on one character, and anti-gankers on another. Happens all the time. Sure, as our in-game personas we grrr and growl at those characters, but out of game, we're pals. The most we ask is "Hey, if yer doing the anti-gank thing, don't park yourself in gank channels for free intel."

And after all this time you are still butthurt about it and spam your nonsense into every post about us. When will you get over the fact that we truly won that tournament the way stuff is won in EVE and not in an isolated WoW-like arena that has nothing to do with EVE? Isn't it time you move on? I mean such anger because of a video game isn't really healthy me thinks, even if you hide behind a forum alt to avoid the consequences of your words.

This is the only part that matters. As I said before, I don't care if the person who killed you writes a 5 page ALOD article on your loss and posts it everywhere. Threats, slurs, and disgustingness directed towards someone real life is never OK. Anything else is just justification.

If you feel that, for whatever reason, a forum/blog/whatevs post about something you did in Eve crosses a line, the correct response is to report said post to relevant people to take action if needed.

The correct response to a loss of a spaceship in Eve is "GF", or "Grr you dirty pirate I'll hunt you to the ends of the universe", or *say nothing, wardec the alliance*. If you feel that the person who engaged you is crossing a line into harassment, you report said person to CCP and let them handle it.

1. i agree. that is the only part that matters.
2. nope i don't think anyone has crossed any line. i know how forum works even though i am a new bro forum main [or alt your choice, both are valid] if someone crossed a line an ISD would be here pronto [or someone else relevant such as a mod]
3. i also agree about proper conduct after a fight in game. that is ideally how it should work. it doesn't always happen though that way.

as said [possibly] before i don't go to other forums or websites so would have to admit total ignorance there also have little to no interest ingame chat channels. mainly because i am antisocial. forums here make for enough "social" activity for me. actually maybe too much.


also Areola Fappington you have one of the best names i have seen so far, i love all the Fappington names as well. sorry not very relevant but have want to express this for some time now.

I do, with my ship and my guns. That's how a sandbox works. If I don't like them, I blast them, loot their wreck, and add their broken corpse to my collection.

And if they don't like it, they should have the common decency to blast my ship to prove their point, instead of mailing me pictures of the front of my house through the in game mail client.




If you feel that way, go play a game without PvP. Because EVE Online is a PvP game, and that does mean that I can shoot somebody just because I happen to feel like it. And while I know this might surprise you, I am allowed to derive satisfaction at having done so as well.

Just a little sense of entitlement there? If you had read my previous comments you would know that I am not a ganker. Everyone has a right to play the game. No one likes a sore loser. I'll say it again..respect is earned...if you chose to give respect and/or trust to anyone, that's your choice but no one will repect you if you are a whiner. Try being a minority sometime...see how that works out for you :) oh...and I bet you I know more about kitchens than you do lol :)

With all of that being said, most of the post made me laugh though. +1 It's good to get a response from time to time that puts a smile on my face and breaks up the seriousness of the topic. Cheers

maybe people should realize Harassment out of game is illegal in most countries. people behaving in a manner in game and then letting things get out of hand OOG. but it works both ways. threats are never ok. threat = harassment = threats no good, harassment = no good. learn the difference.

what others don't seem to agree with though is out of game intimidation etc is harassment [which it is] depending on who says what it could be racial or gender or orientation and that carries heavier penalties...... [if you read the EULA/TOS/PP you'll know this type of in game and out of game behavior is unacceptable if you accept the rules of EULA/TOS/PP. if you disagree go find another game]

....all of which are against the EULA/TOS....

D. Inappropriate Conduct / Communication.
CCP may establish Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct. Nonetheless, it is possible that at any time there may be language or other material accessible on or through the System that you may consider inappropriate or offensive to some users. You acknowledge that other players may transmit communications or content, or access to content, that you may consider inappropriate or objectionable. CCP does not, as a matter of policy, prescreen the communications or content transmitted by each player and is in no way responsible for the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game.

^ this seems straight forward. so does this: it means what you do in game you are responsible for. you agree to this in order to play "how you want". if you don't why are you still here?

CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct:
"You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-party’s intellectual property rights"

C. Compliance with Rules of Conduct
You agree to observe and abide by the Rules of Conduct as may be amended by CCP from time to time: https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/
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^ if you disagree with CCP go play some other game.
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you are the in game toon and also the PC = RPG term for Player Character- that means the player is responsible, or atleast should be, for what their character does or doesn't do based on RL morals and/or ethics you expect from those you gank to abide by, not to mention you the human controls and is 100% responsible for in game and out of game interaction with other players.

i could mention more but i have offered more then enough advice and also input.

thank you for you time and patience.