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Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
#641 - 2014-12-11 10:46:10 UTC
As someone mentioned correctly: we are the end-user and not the client of CCP. But most of the people behaving here like the super-important client. Because they pay 10 bucks per month? Ridiculous. To make clear: you pay a subscription to have the right to play this game. Nothing more. Everything else is owned by CCP and CCP's decision. And that's it.

It's so easy to give a constructive and polite feedback if you just calm down and talk in the right manner. But this doesn't happen here. Most people seem to have no life experience how to deal with issues and how to communicate with success. Horrible.
Signal11th
#642 - 2014-12-11 11:05:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Presidente Gallente wrote:
As someone mentioned correctly: we are the end-user and not the client of CCP. But most of the people behaving here like the super-important client. Because they pay 10 bucks per month? Ridiculous. To make clear: you pay a subscription to have the right to play this game. Nothing more. Everything else is owned by CCP and CCP's decision. And that's it.

It's so easy to give a constructive and polite feedback if you just calm down and talk in the right manner. But this doesn't happen here. Most people seem to have no life experience how to deal with issues and how to communicate with success. Horrible.



It's the old internet "tough guy" problem, it's easy to whine and threaten when there is almost 0% chance of someone knocking on your door and dropping the nut on you. I imagine if CCP sent some Icelandic behemoth to deal out some real-life forum retribution every time someone posts some rant the amount of crap would disappear fairly quickly.

Just my two pence, I don't like the UI but I will learn to see it as normal as everyone does eventually in EVE, I imagine in 5 years time when they change it again people will be chest beating and whining saying "I hate the new UI I loved the old one"


Ask yourself this, does the new UI stop you doing anything that you used to do? Simple answer is no, in 3 or 4 weeks you won't even remember the old one, Yes, it's drab and lifeless and looks like some designer found a 90's design book and passed it off as his/her "new" idea but it's what we have so learn to live with it.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
#643 - 2014-12-11 11:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Presidente Gallente
Signal11th wrote:
Presidente Gallente wrote:
As someone mentioned correctly: we are the end-user and not the client of CCP. But most of the people behaving here like the super-important client. Because they pay 10 bucks per month? Ridiculous. To make clear: you pay a subscription to have the right to play this game. Nothing more. Everything else is owned by CCP and CCP's decision. And that's it.

It's so easy to give a constructive and polite feedback if you just calm down and talk in the right manner. But this doesn't happen here. Most people seem to have no life experience how to deal with issues and how to communicate with success. Horrible.



It's the old internet "tough guy" problem, it's easy to whine and threaten when there is almost 0% chance of someone knocking on your door and dropping the nut on you. I imagine if CCP sent some Icelandic behemoth to deal out some real-life forum retribution every time someone posts some rant the amount of crap would disappear fairly quickly.

Just my two pence, I don't like the UI but I will learn to see it as normal as everyone does eventually in EVE, I imagine in 5 years time when they change it again people will be chest beating and whining saying "I hate the new UI I loved the old one"


Ask yourself this, does the new UI stop you doing anything that you used to do? Simple answer is no, in 3 or 4 weeks you won't even remember the old one, Yes, it's drab and lifeless and looks like some designer found a 90's design book and passed it off as his/her "new" idea but it's what we have so learn to live with it.


I am really sure that CCP will put things on their task list if people learn how to communicate. Maybe they should give us a customizable GUI in the future and everone who prefers big, shiny icons can place them on the center of the screen. To me the GUI is just a simple tool. I want to fly ships in space.
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#644 - 2014-12-11 11:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Eraza
Signal11th wrote:
Presidente Gallente wrote:
As someone mentioned correctly: we are the end-user and not the client of CCP. But most of the people behaving here like the super-important client. Because they pay 10 bucks per month? Ridiculous. To make clear: you pay a subscription to have the right to play this game. Nothing more. Everything else is owned by CCP and CCP's decision. And that's it.

It's so easy to give a constructive and polite feedback if you just calm down and talk in the right manner. But this doesn't happen here. Most people seem to have no life experience how to deal with issues and how to communicate with success. Horrible.



It's the old internet "tough guy" problem, it's easy to whine and threaten when there is almost 0% chance of someone knocking on your door and dropping the nut on you. I imagine if CCP sent some Icelandic behemoth to deal out some real-life forum retribution every time someone posts some rant the amount of crap would disappear fairly quickly.

Just my two pence, I don't like the UI but I will learn to see it as normal as everyone does eventually in EVE, I imagine in 5 years time when they change it again people will be chest beating and whining saying "I hate the new UI I loved the old one"


Ask yourself this, does the new UI stop you doing anything that you used to do? Simple answer is no, in 3 or 4 weeks you won't even remember the old one, Yes, it's drab and lifeless and looks like some designer found a 90's design book and passed it off as his/her "new" idea but it's what we have so learn to live with it.


That's probably true, and although I personally am not a fan of oversimplistic interface design, I'll adjust to having simple vector art instead of pictures, that's obvious really.

What I'm hoping to get across to CCP here is that the monochrome however, IS an issue, it's making the UI slower and less intuitive in a way that's because of how eyesight works, not design.
Also something in it is causing headaches for me, but I cant spot what yet, maybe someone else knows.

The transparency options are too simple, the best I can get now is "almost" as good as it was before,
But it really feels just.. unfinished.
Many options like the blinking tabs, that's just annoying.
For my precise opinion on blinking things, try making an entire webpage with {blink} at the top and {/blink} at the bottom, and then actually read the text.
(may not work in good browsers, HTML tag incorrect intentionally)
Also I really want to murder the focus transparency change effect, but no menu option for that.



to CCP:

Please don't tell me you took the huge flood of negativity on the test server as "we just don't like change"
Because reading the thread here now, it's just not that simple.
You have some very good ideas going with the interface, and lets admit it, the old one wasn't exactly going to win any beauty awards, but the current iteration has some serious issues.

This interface very much feels like a beta
and that's a question for you CCP:

You put the MAP changes in beta, why not these huge interface changes?
Barbasja
Patina Corporation
#645 - 2014-12-11 11:58:42 UTC
On behalf of a small family playing EVE now for years, I can say we are delighted to see the efforts from the EVE dev team attempting to make as good and realistic a game as possible, but dissapointed to see that yet again we have to upgrade to the newest possible technology to enjoy playing it.

Our household has 6 PCs for 3 people, consisting of 5 laptops and one tower. I am a software developer, however not in the game industry (but security, financials, bitcoin), so I need pretty up-to-date equipment. Your latest Rhea release, however, seems to put a strain on every PC in the house. Only one is good (the tower PC that I need for running a series of virtualized test environments) but that PC is not for gaming. My newest laptop (2 year old Dell of the high end) simply overheats after about 20 mins of gameplay and then it shuts down itself. The other I have, a little older without fancy graphics, I used to play EVE on with minimum settings. This one never overheats but isn't very fast either, but used to be fine to play an EVE sidekick with minimum settings. Now I can forget about that since it's like watching a slideshow and things like turning on your armor repper can take 20 seconds. The other 3 laptops has similar issues.

This leaves me in a situation where either we quit playing EVE or invest in at least 3 new laptops. What do you suggest I do?

All the best for XMas in northern darkness of Iceland.
Kell Taron
Cattywampus Affairs
#646 - 2014-12-11 12:03:09 UTC
I personally don't have a problem with the shapes and layout of the new UI, but it needs some slight coloring to make it easier to spot the icon you're after. Especially for new players! I would like to see the icons on the left tinted with offbeat colors, that way they won't distract you or strain your eyes.

Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#647 - 2014-12-11 12:10:47 UTC
Barbasja wrote:
On behalf of a small family playing EVE now for years, I can say we are delighted to see the efforts from the EVE dev team attempting to make as good and realistic a game as possible, but dissapointed to see that yet again we have to upgrade to the newest possible technology to enjoy playing it.

Our household has 6 PCs for 3 people, consisting of 5 laptops and one tower. I am a software developer, however not in the game industry (but security, financials, bitcoin), so I need pretty up-to-date equipment. Your latest Rhea release, however, seems to put a strain on every PC in the house. Only one is good (the tower PC that I need for running a series of virtualized test environments) but that PC is not for gaming. My newest laptop (2 year old Dell of the high end) simply overheats after about 20 mins of gameplay and then it shuts down itself. The other I have, a little older without fancy graphics, I used to play EVE on with minimum settings. This one never overheats but isn't very fast either, but used to be fine to play an EVE sidekick with minimum settings. Now I can forget about that since it's like watching a slideshow and things like turning on your armor repper can take 20 seconds. The other 3 laptops has similar issues.

This leaves me in a situation where either we quit playing EVE or invest in at least 3 new laptops. What do you suggest I do?

All the best for XMas in northern darkness of Iceland.


There seems to be a hardware-related issue with either PBR or the new UI, as some people report performance decrease while others increase (like myself, EVE feels like it's running smoother, my FPS is the same 60 as always).
Embsi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#648 - 2014-12-11 12:14:01 UTC
Eraza wrote:
[quote=Signal11th]
Also something in it is causing headaches for me, but I cant spot what yet, maybe someone else knows.


It's the lack of anti-aliasing, at least for me.
Try turning the UI off (screenshot mode) and see if it still presents.
If it does then it is the new rendering method (which is notorious for creating aliasing).
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#649 - 2014-12-11 12:21:39 UTC
Removed some off topic posts.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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Mara Kell
Herrscher der Zeit
Pandemic Horde
#650 - 2014-12-11 12:25:24 UTC
Signal11th wrote:

Ask yourself this, does the new UI stop you doing anything that you used to do? Simple answer is no, in 3 or 4 weeks you won't even remember the old one, Yes, it's drab and lifeless and looks like some designer found a 90's design book and passed it off as his/her "new" idea but it's what we have so learn to live with it.


Yes it does, i have stopped supplying a big 0.0 tradehub at all because my eyes start to burn when i do market stuff. And since my job is also at the computer i just cannot afford to get hurting burning eyes from my leisure time.

I want to remind you that there are "professions" in eve that have to live for hours with the new UI. While for PVE PVP Mining guys the UI is just framework, we producers and traders have to face the UI fullscreen for hours. Im sorry for all the newbros in our homesystem now having to buy their toys for a higher price or not getting them at all, but im not going to risk my job or my personal health for a game just because someone of the Dev thinks the game needs a flashy new UI.
baltoxtdl
TheDarkLegion Inc
#651 - 2014-12-11 12:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: baltoxtdl
Aiyshimin wrote:
Barbasja wrote:
On behalf of a small family playing EVE now for years, I can say we are delighted to see the efforts from the EVE dev team attempting to make as good and realistic a game as possible, but dissapointed to see that yet again we have to upgrade to the newest possible technology to enjoy playing it.

Our household has 6 PCs for 3 people, consisting of 5 laptops and one tower. I am a software developer, however not in the game industry (but security, financials, bitcoin), so I need pretty up-to-date equipment. Your latest Rhea release, however, seems to put a strain on every PC in the house. Only one is good (the tower PC that I need for running a series of virtualized test environments) but that PC is not for gaming. My newest laptop (2 year old Dell of the high end) simply overheats after about 20 mins of gameplay and then it shuts down itself. The other I have, a little older without fancy graphics, I used to play EVE on with minimum settings. This one never overheats but isn't very fast either, but used to be fine to play an EVE sidekick with minimum settings. Now I can forget about that since it's like watching a slideshow and things like turning on your armor repper can take 20 seconds. The other 3 laptops has similar issues.

This leaves me in a situation where either we quit playing EVE or invest in at least 3 new laptops. What do you suggest I do?

All the best for XMas in northern darkness of Iceland.


There seems to be a hardware-related issue with either PBR or the new UI, as some people report performance decrease while others increase (like myself, EVE feels like it's running smoother, my FPS is the same 60 as always).


My vents inside of case are screaming ...
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#652 - 2014-12-11 12:32:19 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Barbasja wrote:
On behalf of a small family playing EVE now for years, I can say we are delighted to see the efforts from the EVE dev team attempting to make as good and realistic a game as possible, but dissapointed to see that yet again we have to upgrade to the newest possible technology to enjoy playing it.

Our household has 6 PCs for 3 people, consisting of 5 laptops and one tower. I am a software developer, however not in the game industry (but security, financials, bitcoin), so I need pretty up-to-date equipment. Your latest Rhea release, however, seems to put a strain on every PC in the house. Only one is good (the tower PC that I need for running a series of virtualized test environments) but that PC is not for gaming. My newest laptop (2 year old Dell of the high end) simply overheats after about 20 mins of gameplay and then it shuts down itself. The other I have, a little older without fancy graphics, I used to play EVE on with minimum settings. This one never overheats but isn't very fast either, but used to be fine to play an EVE sidekick with minimum settings. Now I can forget about that since it's like watching a slideshow and things like turning on your armor repper can take 20 seconds. The other 3 laptops has similar issues.

This leaves me in a situation where either we quit playing EVE or invest in at least 3 new laptops. What do you suggest I do?

All the best for XMas in northern darkness of Iceland.


There seems to be a hardware-related issue with either PBR or the new UI, as some people report performance decrease while others increase (like myself, EVE feels like it's running smoother, my FPS is the same 60 as always).


Yeah, that FPS drop and heat increase seems likely to be a bug, both my computers are performing the same as always.
Haven't checked the laptop though, but since it has the equivalent of a geforce 8400(eve min. 8600) it's been a bit of a slide show for quite a while anyway.

Hey, thought, both my systems are ATI/AMD, do you by any chance have Intel or Nvidia?
If it's just for some people it might be a vendor issue.
baltoxtdl
TheDarkLegion Inc
#653 - 2014-12-11 12:35:13 UTC
Eraza wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Barbasja wrote:
On behalf of a small family playing EVE now for years, I can say we are delighted to see the efforts from the EVE dev team attempting to make as good and realistic a game as possible, but dissapointed to see that yet again we have to upgrade to the newest possible technology to enjoy playing it.

Our household has 6 PCs for 3 people, consisting of 5 laptops and one tower. I am a software developer, however not in the game industry (but security, financials, bitcoin), so I need pretty up-to-date equipment. Your latest Rhea release, however, seems to put a strain on every PC in the house. Only one is good (the tower PC that I need for running a series of virtualized test environments) but that PC is not for gaming. My newest laptop (2 year old Dell of the high end) simply overheats after about 20 mins of gameplay and then it shuts down itself. The other I have, a little older without fancy graphics, I used to play EVE on with minimum settings. This one never overheats but isn't very fast either, but used to be fine to play an EVE sidekick with minimum settings. Now I can forget about that since it's like watching a slideshow and things like turning on your armor repper can take 20 seconds. The other 3 laptops has similar issues.

This leaves me in a situation where either we quit playing EVE or invest in at least 3 new laptops. What do you suggest I do?

All the best for XMas in northern darkness of Iceland.


There seems to be a hardware-related issue with either PBR or the new UI, as some people report performance decrease while others increase (like myself, EVE feels like it's running smoother, my FPS is the same 60 as always).


Yeah, that FPS drop and heat increase seems likely to be a bug, both my computers are performing the same as always.
Haven't checked the laptop though, but since it has the equivalent of a geforce 8400(eve min. 8600) it's been a bit of a slide show for quite a while anyway.

Hey, thought, both my systems are ATI/AMD, do you by any chance have Intel or Nvidia?
If it's just for some people it might be a vendor issue.


i7 920 + geforce gtx 770 = 5 clients on 2 24" dell monitotrs
Marilyn Maulerant
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#654 - 2014-12-11 12:46:25 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
DUBLYUR wrote:
My opinion of the patch - money back.


You don't pay CCP for making the game how you want.


Correct, in general, people who pay companies do so for the ability to use their product or service

Misunderstood Genius wrote:
You are not a client.


incorrect, every person who pays a company for their services, product, or the use thereof is that company's "client"


Misunderstood Genius wrote:
I would recommend to unsub to solve the issue and save money.


That option is available to them if they chose to use it, however, posting responses that basically are as "you have the final answer" when it is clear that this is not the case, comes across as though you are trolling people as opposed to trying to give them a helpful or productive answer.

With that said, there are some clear and obvious issues with the new UI, hopefully CCP will look at the recurring comments in this thread and find a way to address them to the benefit of all of it's clients.

o/
M.M.
Lara Divinity
Pidgeon Cartel
#655 - 2014-12-11 12:47:59 UTC
i dont know if someone elses has this issue but upon every login my evemail blinks for no reason at all cause when i check eve mail theres nothing there
im curious if im the only one with this issue
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#656 - 2014-12-11 12:48:50 UTC
Mara Kell wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Ask yourself this, does the new UI stop you doing anything that you used to do? Simple answer is no, in 3 or 4 weeks you won't even remember the old one, Yes, it's drab and lifeless and looks like some designer found a 90's design book and passed it off as his/her "new" idea but it's what we have so learn to live with it.


Yes it does, i have stopped supplying a big 0.0 tradehub at all because my eyes start to burn when i do market stuff. And since my job is also at the computer i just cannot afford to get hurting burning eyes from my leisure time.

I want to remind you that there are "professions" in eve that have to live for hours with the new UI. While for PVE PVP Mining guys the UI is just framework, we producers and traders have to face the UI fullscreen for hours. Im sorry for all the newbros in our homesystem now having to buy their toys for a higher price or not getting them at all, but im not going to risk my job or my personal health for a game just because someone of the Dev thinks the game needs a flashy new UI.


Among all this noise, I hope the devs take note of this- the new UI features work well outside stations and support the interactions in space, but are very counterproductive in station and especially when trading, which involves rapid interactions with 2+ windows.

Ideal solution- option to disable the brightening & blurring of windows while docked.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#657 - 2014-12-11 12:50:16 UTC
Lara Divinity wrote:
i dont know if someone elses has this issue but upon every login my evemail blinks for no reason at all cause when i check eve mail theres nothing there
im curious if im the only one with this issue


This is not a new issue, I've had it for a very long time, and it's seemingly random. Possibly related to some mails refusing to keep their read-state.
Santa Spirit
Christmas Spirit and Goodwill Toward Man
#658 - 2014-12-11 12:55:22 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Lara Divinity wrote:
i dont know if someone elses has this issue but upon every login my evemail blinks for no reason at all cause when i check eve mail theres nothing there
im curious if im the only one with this issue


This is not a new issue, I've had it for a very long time, and it's seemingly random. Possibly related to some mails refusing to keep their read-state.



As have I, I've also had mails that are stuck as "unread" even after reading them several times.

deleting those seem to help, but the flashy is still there.

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Jonahs Chensua
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#659 - 2014-12-11 13:19:10 UTC
Vasea Azure wrote:
CCP should give us option to use old icons style if we dont like new ones. Simple.


ABSOLUTELY !!! These new monochrome icons are horrid. Anyone with half a brain knows that the human eye/brain function works 1st off of movement, 2nd COLOR, 3rd rough shape, 4th fully focused image. Why is anyone at CCP unaware of this fact? I realize that icon don't move on their own, however you now have to take considerable amount of time to focus on these little squares that have no reference color at all. This reminds me of some low quality cheap bargain bin games I have had in the past.

I don't feel that in playing Eve I need to spend extra time trying to read tiny little Egyptian sandstone hieroglyphics.

I also agree with some other that the new graphics DO cheapen some of the looks of the ship skins. Caldari now actually look more fake and lifeless, and Amarrian intense gold plated bling is really similar to a cheap Walmart kids toy.

Just wondering what other grand "improvements" I will find when I play this weekend.
Rampin Lampin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#660 - 2014-12-11 13:48:41 UTC
my UI was all reset today, shortcuts, overview everything.. I now cant set new shortcuts it wont let me

I am also getting Lag blips everytime I click on a chat window or an icon...

Fix this please CCP