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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#421 - 2011-12-10 19:29:42 UTC
Wow, you're crazy aren't you? Like literally...
I am speechless Shocked

wooo!! sniped the page Big smile
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#422 - 2011-12-10 19:31:35 UTC
And so, fine EVE players, we have summed up everything you need to know about null sec in just a couple of pages. Can't imagine why people don't just rush in for all that!P

I will now take the forum merc contracts I've gathered and not log in for about 3 months thereby completely messing over the sucker..erm..clients who hired me. Guess they'll have to fight their own fight.

Actually, it's time to go to my RL job. Thanks for tuning in viewers!
Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
#423 - 2011-12-10 19:32:40 UTC
o7
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#424 - 2011-12-10 19:34:07 UTC
Sadly, the forum pvp is more entertaining than the actual game at the moment.
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#425 - 2011-12-12 02:17:17 UTC
In the end, it isn't the game screwing up the players, it's the players screwing up the game, and CCP seems to approve.

Well, I t IS all about the money after all.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#426 - 2011-12-15 04:07:03 UTC
Pavel, you asked a number of questions--some of them interesting, others not--and I will eventually get to them all in the time and manner of my choosing. I would like to begin by addressing the following, since it appears there is some confusion I can clear up...

Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Ah, but what if it's YOUR game play that comes under fire? Would you (James 315) have the same feelings if CCP came in and made ganking a bannable offense? It's a good question to consider since the thought process is an exercise in testing the validity of actions/ ideas. Would you still feel that it's a valid game style even though it had been deemed invalid?
There are a few misunderstandings embedded into your question. First of all, CCP would never make ganking a bannable offense. It's a hypothetical that never takes place in any possible universe--a null set, if you'll pardon the pun. Banning ganking would go against the whole purpose of Eve. You may as well ask what I would do if Eve removed the "multiplayer" mode from the game. If you want to boil things down really far, and maybe a little too far, ganking is the entire reason Eve exists. Eve Online is about ganking highsec miners.

Second, you misunderstood my point. Mining in highsec is not a bannable offense. We're not talking about botting, where I don't need to explain to people why it's not a legitimate way to play the game. It's precisely because highsec mining is allowed by Eve's game mechanics that I need to inform people that highsec mining is not an acceptable style of play. It's also why, in the event I am not able to educate every highsec miner that they can no longer do what they do (a likely one, since most highsec miners don't read the forums), that I and others like me need to force them to stop playing that way, by ganking them.

Now, if you turn things around and ask what I would do if people deemed ganking an invalid game style without banning it, I don't think we need to worry about that. With the way public opinion has gone, and especially with the election of The Mittani to Chairman of CSM, it's clear where the people stand on ganking and highsec mining. They're against the mining, and they're very passionately in favor of ganking.
Pasha Cracken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#427 - 2011-12-15 05:33:03 UTC
The ****?
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#428 - 2011-12-15 05:38:17 UTC
James 315 wrote:
I vomited on myself. I enjoyed the smell. I ate it all. What was I saying?

Field of Trolls:  "If you chum it, they will come."

Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#429 - 2011-12-15 08:21:34 UTC
James, your manifesto is nothing but a wall-of-text troll. At least I hope for your sake it is. Your view of EVE is nothing more than YOUR view of EVE. The problem with your view is that you can see no other view. The game you describe would be nothing more than tanks in space, That isn't a bad thing, but it isn't EVE.

The idea that you have to teach people that your view of game play is the only view is simply vile on a personal level. It isn't designed that way. that's why all these other occupation exist. The game is designed to support multiple game styles that are mutually beneficial.

You are not bot hunting. That is a blatant lie. If you were, you would be hunting the fertile lands of null sec, famous for it's seemingly endless hurds of bots. Please don't act so ignorant or address the other players as if they were ignorant.

Like I said, I prefer to think of your OP as nothing but a successful troll. Going with that idea, I will congratulate you on a good troll.

If it isn't, then just take this post as a gift and a good out. You can leave on a high note because it's better to be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and prove it.

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#430 - 2011-12-15 08:57:31 UTC
Troll thread of the year.
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#431 - 2011-12-15 10:43:56 UTC
James 315 wrote:
There are a few misunderstandings embedded into your question. First of all, CCP would never make ganking a bannable offense. It's a hypothetical that never takes place in any possible universe--a null set, if you'll pardon the pun. Banning ganking would go against the whole purpose of Eve. You may as well ask what I would do if Eve removed the "multiplayer" mode from the game. If you want to boil things down really far, and maybe a little too far, ganking is the entire reason Eve exists. Eve Online is about ganking highsec miners.

They would never make it a bannable offense? You sure about that? I'm not. If this anti-high-sec-rage goes on, they may start to lose a significant number of subscriptions, especially if people get the impression that CCP is on the side of the haters.
Banning ganking wouldn't be against the purpose of EVE Online and it is not the reason why EVE exist or why it is successfull. Back in the day when I startet to play EVE, ganking was nearly non existant. It may surprise you, but the game was as fun as it is now.
Personaly I have no problem with ganking as it is, but I have a problem with the lack of respect you have with other peoples playing styles.

James 315 wrote:
Second, you misunderstood my point. Mining in highsec is not a bannable offense. We're not talking about botting, where I don't need to explain to people why it's not a legitimate way to play the game. It's precisely because highsec mining is allowed by Eve's game mechanics that I need to inform people that highsec mining is not an acceptable style of play. It's also why, in the event I am not able to educate every highsec miner that they can no longer do what they do (a likely one, since most highsec miners don't read the forums), that I and others like me need to force them to stop playing that way, by ganking them.

Other people say that ganking isn't an acceptable style of play, also with good reasons. They are as right as you are. Just because you don't like the style other people are playing the game doesn't make the particulary style not acceptable. It is just a different point of view. EVE is a sandbox and everyone can have fun in his own way. That is the essence of EVE, not your small and mostly irrelevant high-sec ganking.

James 315 wrote:
Now, if you turn things around and ask what I would do if people deemed ganking an invalid game style without banning it, I don't think we need to worry about that. With the way public opinion has gone, and especially with the election of The Mittani to Chairman of CSM, it's clear where the people stand on ganking and highsec mining. They're against the mining, and they're very passionately in favor of ganking.

Oh yeah, I'm scared of the big chairman.Roll You know what? Before he was elected and all that glorification and raging about that was geoing on, I've never heard of that guy. He never effected my style of playing EVE and he isn't effecting it today. You might be suprised, while I don't like his attitude on the forums I think he is in the most cases a valuable member of the CSM.
Public oppinion? You stated yourself that you think that most high-sec miners don't read the forums, so where is the big statistical proof of this supposed public oppinion? Seems a good part of it is missing... Everytime I read threads about ganking there are a lot of supporters but also a lot of opposer of ganking. Mostly the numbers seem to be balanced out. I don't see a shift of the public oppinion in favor of ganking, just a lot more talking about it lately.


You know, the sad part is that back in the day gankers where honest. They ganked "because they could" and "for the lulz". Why do you suddenly need some form of ideology? Are you that desperate? Big smile
Freezehunter
#432 - 2011-12-15 11:16:30 UTC
OP, I must confess that your thread is the most well thought out, intelligent, factual, and content rich thread I have ever seen on these forums, and I appreciate that you spent a lot of time writing all of that, and attempted to make us more intelligent and less ignorant by doing so.
You are truly an inspiration for all of us.

However, tl;dr.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

Vio Geraci
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#433 - 2011-12-15 12:36:48 UTC
so many words
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#434 - 2011-12-15 13:01:19 UTC
How insightful. I can't believe I read through that TL ; DR.
Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
#435 - 2011-12-15 13:34:01 UTC
7000+ words to say ya yust after easy km to boost ya kb with zero risk o.0

where ya afk mining while ya where typing al that stuff Question
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#436 - 2011-12-15 14:09:18 UTC
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:
I'll further clarify I don't HS mine frankly I have better things to do, but the Noobs in my Corp do and I think its wrong to single out a section of the player base unable to really defend themselves from your nonsense and target them.

Those noobs should probably leave your silly little corp if you can't protect or help them. Just saying.



I'm not a babysitter. But I do make every effort to support the noobs in my corp with resources and advice. If they squandor the resources provided them and fail to heed the offered advice how am I or the corp at fault? There happen to be a couple ways to avoid players like OP. Besides this isn't about my corp this is about OPs trolling and my opinion about his rather warped stance on things.

but nice job taking one sentence out of my post and pulling all context away from it before adding your personal brand of snide commentary. Roll
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#437 - 2011-12-15 14:50:32 UTC
Federigo Mondial wrote:
How insightful. I can't believe I read through that TL ; DR.


if you read it its not longer DR ..its just TL ..
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#438 - 2011-12-15 15:06:47 UTC
What if all the miners just up and left, who would you gank then? Or what would you do if you had no ganking targets left to gank? How would you react if others began to gank you because there where no one else to gank?

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.

Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#439 - 2011-12-15 21:47:44 UTC
An interesting read to be sure. It almost called loudly enough to my inner jackass to turn me into a ganker. Almost.
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#440 - 2011-12-15 21:53:22 UTC
Then again, I read a thread by a hulk pilot whining about ganking right after reading this. So, yeah, I just might try it after I get some decent gunnery skills.