Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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No problem. We all need to vent sometimes. Still, "please change mining because of the New Order or whoever else" is a hot-button thing in General Discussion that tends to invite all sorts of nastiness and generally does not get anywhere. The folks who frequent Features & Ideas Discussion are usually a bit more open-minded, plus they more often include the actual CCP developers responsible for actually considering and enacting changes. It is just a more fitting audience.

Checking a system isn't really the problem. I mean, you can check all you want, but if someone comes along with intent to kill after you've set up, your previous knowledge of a location is rather moot.

if you have even 1% of Chribba's assets in form of liquid or assets, I will eat my socks.

shhh besides the point :P

he made a personal point at chribba saying how others laugh at him as their wallets fill faster. i dont know of any individual who could make that claim :P

I'm sitting comfortably at around 200b or so in liquid and assets and I know chribba shrugs that off haha.

Suicide ganking is at an all time low, there is no ore shortage, I don't see the problem you try to solve with your proposed change.

In fact the tools are already there for everyone, you can fit a Procurer, which is cheap like hell, with a massive tank and the chance that someone bothers you will get extremely low. But it actually depends on how you fit your ship and you have to do a minimal effort and actually care about how the spaceships and modules in EVE work. If you do care about this things, learn how to properly fly your ship and how to use the intel tools like local or dscan, then we are talking about almost perfect safety. It will be extremely hart and expensive to kill you with a suicide gank.

So why would you remove that choice and possibilities to become better than others and replace it with a built in mechanic everyone get's for free? I mean mining is already extremely challenge free, so why dump it down even further? It takes some time to become a barge pilot and that should be enough to make yourself familiar with the modules you need to secure your investment in that ship.

The New Order exists exactly because of this constant demands for perfect safety and removal of interesting choices. Ganking miners in Highsec was neft to a point that it is no longer profitable by itself, this completely disrupts the balance in comparison with every other type of space where you have to dock if a neutral enters local and AFK mining is not an option. We are founded by different sources but usually not by the suicide ganking itself, to bring some of the balance back that was lost by the constant nerfs.

If you are interested in more details why we do this and why it is necessary I recommend to read James 315's Manifesto II or listen to the SoundCloud recording of it:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626
https://soundcloud.com/tags/manifesto%20ii

What miners and production industrialists need to stop doing is considering their minerals or mining time "free".

Stop selling to buy orders that are crap. If you can't make a good profit for your time for the ore, stockpile that ore and don't sell any more. People will sell themselves into virtual world slavery to make a few isks as a miner. Don't buy into it. Mine but wait for the market to change. Enough people being intelligent at not selling themselves into slavery by instant sell orders to awful ore prices, and the whole system will shake up.

That's one of the problem with ISbox miners. They usually don't care about more than one or two accounts, so they can afford to spend RL money to make smaller profit margins while actually getting much more ISK than actual players, and funnel it all to one or two accounts, making more for a single account by using RL money than a player can on their own. They create stronger competition that also harms people who dont use the Isboxer botting tool, but these are stories for another day.

Demand needs to go up in order to get better prices for your ore. Sell your ore when its profitable compared to time spent. All trade is arbitrary in terms of value of a product. Arbitrarily decide your ore is worth more and don't sell it for less. If you stockpile for am onth and everyone else does too, demand goes way up and supply goes way down, suddenly your ore is very valuable. Then we'll see who's on the bottom of the chain.

Funny. Do you avoid even fights in PvP? DO you gank helpless ships? Do you use alts or multibox to scout/industrial/whatever to get ISK or protect your ships? You just might be a carebear, too.

You know what I'd much prefer? I'd much prefer corps can afford to hire on PvPers inside corp and pay them for their time protecting corp assets mining in belts. To offset said cost, miners would need to raise their ore prices. But then, why go to all that trouble in order to pay others? Why not just make some alt accounts to do the same thing and lower the competition on yourself for selling minerals, since now that you don't have to pay other players for protection, you can sell your product for less?

Take care calling others carebear if you've ever used alts in place of other players to do things so that you don't have to use ISK to buy services of others.

I liked your post because it was ironic.

Honestly, think of them as the "bad guy" wrestlers. The dudes you love to hate. There might be some decent peeps behind the eye-patch. They're playing a role that belongs in EvE. Real pirates preyed on those who couldn't fight back... and still do. So as much as I don't like the idiocy that is CODE., I don't really have a problem with gankers per se. Gankers do add content to the game, even if it's content some would rather avoid. And at its heart, EvE is about building and destroying. You know where on that line the gankers sit.

If a player or group crosses the line into harassment (see CODE. again), then they should get duly punished. Attacking or ransoming someone that's not armed IS piracy, it IS cowardly, but it CAN be profitable, and it's part of the game lore and mechanics. Working as intended, even if it is unfortunate for some.

--Gadget