Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I love these changes! Many more ship types will be flown now and that is a good thing for EVE! There were just to many ships that could not be flown in fleets because bombers would way to easily destroy them all. More varied fleets compositions can now legitimately be fielded. Battleship fleets are now more viable.

Small gang roams and gate camps are also heading towards getting boring as everything was getting too "cloaky" and "nullified". I am 100% in favor of a cloaked ship decloaking each other. This is a step in the right direction.

I like every one of these changes because I think they will make the game MUCH more diverse and healthy.

This right here makes me think you guys don't play your own game. (Not the first time this has happened by a long shot btw)

Organization of characters in bombing runs is valuable and beyond tedious as is for a number of reasons...

1. More than 7 bombs and they blow themselves up.

2. Bringing in squads of 7 from different axis's so each squad doesn't get bubbled.

3. Lining up with a celestial so that you can warp out after a bomb run.

4. Being at the correct range so that the only non-targetted weapon in the game with a flight time lands at the right place.

5. Setting up all this quickly and most times in TiDi is a nightmare.

Again... stuff like this makes it painfully obvious you guys don't do this sh!t very often yourselves or you wouldn't have even brought this feature (old bug) up.

This is a sad day to Cov op pilots and I was counting the days on when you will tackle black ops... pls don't touch black ops It seems any sense regarding how cov ops fleet works nor have the courage to ban ISBoxing and you took the easier route..GJ CCP.

:( Not sure at all about the logic behind this.

Everything you said about the current mechanics, and the pros/cons of armor/shield doctrine fleets is absolutely true. However, I have a very easy fix that follows a very old saying, "don't put all your eggs in one basket." Or, in eve terms, spread your fleets out. Have several anchors, and have those anchors be far enough away from each other that bombing runs hit a fraction of your fleet instead of everyone. This, btw, is also one of the best defenses against pipe bombing.

Bombs are area denial weapons, or pilot-density punishments, or both depending on how you look at it.

Go for the harder to fit and lesser damage doctrines that allow you to sit at farther ranges. Then the wings cover (overlapping fields of fire?) each other, make themselves less of a target, and make fleet combat more strategic for attackers and defenders. Have fast tackle orbiting at 30km with swarms of assisted drones instead of with the rest of the core so they can decloak or react quickly to decloaking bombers. Have cruisers orbiting (or if numbers are a problem, at likely bombing run vectors) at 15km with smartbombs ready to defend the squishy, delicious, center. There are many, MANY, counters to bomber fleets.

Adapt or die, can i have your stuff, and all that. (that last bit not directed at you personally, but to the whiners)

I am totally fine with all these changes except for cloaked ships de-cloaking each other. It is the worst idea I have seen in any patch since the Incarna fiasco and I can see that almost every response posted in this thread so far is in overwhelming agreement. This is a Ret**ded change and here's why:

- Firstly, CCP admitted it was a bug back when cloaked ships de-cloaking each other was first raised with them. So putting it back in and saying it used to be a feature is just plain stupid.

- Secondly, when you fixed the "bug" back then you did it with almost overwhelming support of the playerbase. So what the hell makes you think everyone suddenly changed their minds and is going to be happy with this da-shiang bao-tza shr duh lah doo-tze?!

- Finally, even if you disregard the first two points, it doesn't take away from the fact that this makes running all the other ships with cloaks a giant pain in the rectum without providing them any bonuses to offset the nerf.

Please retract this change.

Please.

Think of the children.

-Dek

One option available is not packing hundreds of ships at a fixed point. You know, maybe spread out a little and fight multiple fronts.

This change will make bombers overly obtuse to use and require a lot of experience to fly effectively.

The time to setup warpins without decloaking everybody is going to be a nightmare even for a small gang.

With the added signature radius and proximity decloak there are going to be a lot of dead bombers no matter how good the warp in.

I'll echo the best comments I've seen so far by highlighting the need to see cloaked fleet members if this goes through. It won't matter how good your pilots are if they risk tripping over each other in space. All it takes is one error to cause a decloak chain reaction then you kiss your fleet goodbye. That's not skill, its random blind frustration.

What's that? You will have to use non-capitals to SUPPORT your caps? Inconceivable!

"cloaked ships will now de-cloak at 2k again...."

:(

Restoring a bug doesn't seem like a great way to nerf ISboxing bomber fleets

That nerfs ALL cloaked ships working together not just bombers.

This means that all cloaked ships in warp together will likely de-cloak the whole fleet.

This is an inconvenience that doesn't need to exist and bringing it back right now, just doesn't make much sense.

I was really looking forward to seeing more triage carriers used with 20-50 man gangs, but with ONE bomber being able to nuke 15k cap it's no longer a viable tactic.

[Q] Would you consider adding void bomb resists to cap batteries and maybe adding capital size cap batteries?