Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'am not a fan at all at bumping into fleetmates without seeing them again. Not being able to warpin a couple of us cloaked because we'll decloak as warp pushes us togheter.

If you want to add this... old mechanic of decloaking a cloaked enemy with your own cloaked ship.. lul what? It would occasinaly happen and both cloakers would be staring at eachother with friggin deer-in-trailer-headlights-eyes. Possibly someone might have used it as a tactic... but dont blow smoke: Such a tactic would have been utalized by a tiny minority of a minority of players; I suppose my old discorifter is also an old tactic by thoose standards.

If you want to add it, it must at the least be made possible to see your cloaked fleetbuddies, and even then warping cloaked and bumping into eachother... horrible.

As is mentioned: A change to cloaking as is today after the bugfix years back does not only change how bombers behave, but every ship that uses a cloak. Every tactic that uses cloaks.

Now that we are done with that.

You are overnerfing things. A big hammer instead of a few adjustments here and there.
Better ideas: Instead of making a bomber turn like a slow whale make the fitted bomb launcher the culprit, not the hull and so on. Or how about a 10s effect upon firing the heavy bomb cursing your agility to hell for the duration ^^
And so on.

Dont overnerf. It never did you good in the past.
Also. Hail ISBOXER our deliverer.

the decloaking changes will hurt isboxing players much less than players that organize bombing runs by hand. that's not cool

I fail to see how nerfing a entire group of ships will help curb the problem. Lets face it; the real problem is with ISBoxer. Please ban the software and not take it out on those who coordinate bombers properly

Why work for them? I volunteer my time for free.

If you don't like those options, you're free to suggest a third one he could use under the proposed changes. I mean, we could suggest that he stop flying bombers, but it sounds like he wants to fly bombers. So that leaves him two options: Use ISBoxer, or get over it and do it the old fashioned way. That's reality.

Fozzie, this is a good point. is there a way to make a "falloff sphere" for these bombs so we can see where they will land better? like a 500m radius?

Great. Another wide sweeping change from fozzie that once again fails to take in the big picture. Just because some people use bombers via isbot in nullsec and someone cried that their fleets died doesn't mean you have to nerf every single cloaked ship in the game. Terrible idea to have cloaked ships decloak each-other (without even letting you SEE other fleet members). Like some have said this effectively kills ALL fleet warps of cloaked ships, even non bombers eg. T3s.

In WH space where cloaked ships are pretty much essential this feels like a big middle finger to us especially after the mass changes (and the ignored feedback). I can only hope, probably in vain, that this time you might actually change your mind.

You guys are insane. Why do you buff ISBoxer and hit legit players with the nerf bat? Ah yes... because the multiboxing players pay more. got it, thank you.

Oh, and while we're at it, since the thread is about 50% on this topic anyway.

Ban ISBoxer. Or barring such decisive action, at least dredge up the fortitude to address it, make a statement regarding it's use. Knock off the tiptoeing around the issue, and address the elephant in the room once and for all.

Heck, if the truth of the matter is that you just can't tell whether someone is using it or not, just admit it. Many of us suspect such a thing anyway.

• A stat rebalance on the bombers themselves. Short version is significantly more HP, weaker agility, larger sig radius, more cargo (so that they can all carry 3 bombs), smidge more CPU, lower warp speed.

-makes sense

• Cloaked ships will once again decloak each other if they come within 2km.

- this kills a lot of content, as bombers are not just good for bombing
ive run different setups relying on the cloak in the past and i doubt this is the fix you are looking for
ISbox-bombing and easy-bombing should be fixable with other changes

• Reduction in HP (with increase in resists) for the damage bombs, so that they can be destroyed by (named or higher) medium smartbombs.

- yes

• 17% reduction in bomb speed, with associated flight time increase. This means that you'll have 12 seconds to react to bombs instead of 10. Range stays the same.

- yes

• Doubling the effect of the Bomb Deployment skill, to 10% per level. This will allow people to bomb more often.

- dont know why, but ok

• A new anti-capital void bomb with a tiny range and a large explosion radius. You need to land it right on your target but if you hit a cap ship it will eat a ton of cap.

- normal voids do not work under heavy tidi (i tried it with 50bombers in B-R), so i guess capital-voids wont work the same
and if you aim for caps you need to expect heavy tidi i guess :(

• New 10km radius interdiction probes. Intended to give fleets more options for bubbling themselves and pulling in opponents (including bombers) at undesired ranges.

- ok, you could also give HICs the option to adjust their range...

all in all nice ideas but the cloak thing really issnt cool! think about it

o/

You had me at "Cloaked ships will once again decloak each other if they come within 2km." ^^


EDIT: Okay so I posted w/o realizing that this would also include your fleetmates. I'm such a goddamn noob.

I do think that cloaked ships that are NOT fleeted should decloak each other.

CCP, if your goal is to reduce the effectiveness of bombing runs by ISMB users, then you need to make changes that will cripple ISMB, but not harm individual humans. One brilliant suggestion on this thread was to have an activation code that's random for every bomb launched. My own idea is to make it so you must manually fly the bombs to your target using the arrow keys. However the directions they controlled would be randomized. "UP" could actually make the bomb go left. Also randomize the camera orientation when it focuses on the bomb so while a human could very easily orient it, the ISMB could not. Notice that all of these suggestions include elements of randomness. ISMB requires that the same commands can be entered, not different ones for every account. That's its weakness. Attack it there.