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Honestly, this would be infinitely better than what's going on now (which is nothing).

NC: should have thought of drone regions being badly accessible before renting them out.

did greyscale got a twitter? i dont want miss when he announce he go work for riot

It only affect's our ability to have fun. Not their ability to maintain their giant space-empire.

Renters - even the concept of renters is a cancer on Eve
Lost ISK for Alliances - If they aren't building 10 titans a week - they have enough ISK to last them, oh, about forever
Bad Markets in Null - they are bad *because* Jita is two cynos away
Moon Goo i n wrong place - Some space more valuable than others?! That's the POINT of some of these changes
Mexallon shortage - "Demand"! however will the markets react?
Bubbled gates - a conflict driver that the game needs

I don't know if you are for or against the changes, yours was a random post I read flickin through the 300 odd pages. But I kindof disagreed with every 'bad thing' you seemed to bring up. If you were being doubly sarcastic/ironic and I missed it, apologies in advance. If you really think all the bad things you mentioned are bad, then we must be playing different games...

I strongly suspect the jump distance nerf will not have the desired effect. Here are a few examples/reasons why:

1) The Goons and droneland Russians controlled huge swaths of null without the use of cap projection for years. Any large power blocks can. When you have 1000 100mill sp players u don't need cap projection. T3 or alpha bs blobs will work fine.

2) CCP cleansed null of small independent corps a couple years ago with the sanctum/sec status nerf in Crucible. Hundreds of small corps and their players abandoned null and the game, for economic reasons. Nerfs almost always do more harm than good. Can anyone here point out a nerf that actually attracted anyone to this game or brought back players who left?

3) The game is about economy (cost) and what players want (i.e. fun). Cost and fun dictate decisions: what gets trained, what gets built, what gets flown, what gets suicide-ganked, and what gets primaried in a fleet fight. There are economic and player-desired reasons for the large power blocs in null, which are reinforced by game mechanics such as jump distance, not vice versa. (Personal example) Cost and fun dictated my decision to train a j/f alt. Jumping my j/f past 5 gatecamps in 2 hops and selling stuff at 200% markup in null is fun and worth the risk/cost/time invested. Having to do the same thing in 10 hops is not fun and not worth the risk/cost/time invested.


4) The devs are out of touch with too much of the day-to-day reality in Eve. CCP Greyscale's example of someone hopping a solo carrier through 40 gates in low/null is great comedy but not realistic for those of us who traverse low/null. Get a clue before making "game-breaking" changes.

5) One way I see of CCP achieving the goals set out in CCP Greyscale's blog is implementing the 5ly jump distance nerf in conjunction with a massive overhaul of the entire null/low/high sec status cluster geography. Try picturing high-sec island clusters (~5 systems), surrounded by a small moat of lowsec (~10 systems), floating in an ocean of null (~20 systems), with about a 10-15 ly distance between the nearest high-sec islands. Then maybe you would see more of the localization and power shake-up they have in mind.

324 pages of mainly negative responses to this announcement and not one constructive comment from CCP Dev's as to why they feel so dead set on making these changes except to vomit the usual excuses that this is 'AN IMPROVEMENT' wtf are you guys smoking in that office, moving Supers by gates, like that is gonna happen.

As for the CSM, shamed to have you represent us, my initial recommendation when I first became aware of this PvP cluster ****, was to say disband it as it only promotes unbalance across EVE as a whole, not really what this game was about is it??.

As for the changes themselves, I see no problem at all with making Capital 'Combat' ship movements more difficult, I do however see problems with tinkering with the logistics side of things for those people CCP ostensibly encouraged to go live in Null Sec and predict a reversal of flow on this one point alone, 90% bonus for JF and Roquals, just could not resist slipping that one in could you, the rest of it is just trivial rubbish to be honest when you really look through it, badly thought out and like so many other times BADLY PROMOTED.

Dev's wrote the code for the tools on hand and now there squealing 'foul and exploit', when players use those mechanics to do something they had not thought about, ...Maybe one day the Devs will understand that they cannot force players to do anything really, if the idea is not good for players they simply will not engage with it and bad ideas just taint the game overall leaving the feeling that maybe paying sub's to CCP for something that ultimately is a let down and does not provide the balanced game play over all the many facets it offers down to one simple change like the current trend to nerf logistics time and again gives rise to the thought that CCP really don't have any positive direction for EVE at all, 'Death by a thousand cuts' has been mentioned here in the past.

If living in Null Sec proves non-viable players will simply move back to Empire space and kicking Logistics in the nuts in this manner only indicates it will. If they believe trade hubs will suddenly spring up in 0.0 space all 5 ly apart they really have not thought it through very well have they, and not everyone in game wants to just kill everything they see no matter were they chose to live in EVE. some play it to build things, no viable outlets, no production, simple as that.

I for one am currently planning to move assets out of Null Sec on 13 accounts before this game killer is brought in and then un-sub 10 of them, a large percentage of the industrial heart of my Corporation, all paid for cash, and I can assure CCP they will not be re-subbed any time soon and I would advise anyone in game that feels this type of change is negative do the same, CCP accountants will soon put a stop to this buffoonery when it hits the dollar value of the game, and that is the true nature of a CSM, player choice.

I'm glad I was there for B-R.. It or anything like it will never be seen again.

Limiting force projection with capitals is one thing (and a good thing)., Removing it altogether is just a lot of wasted SP and isk on capitals already purchased.

I do look forward to losing my capitals to gate camps - and not replacing them.

Shame I can't get all the capital SP refunded for my toons, it would be better put elsewhere.
Minmatar Titan 5 - What a waste..


Not gong to happen - Large fleet fights involving capitals just became a part of eve history.
No group is going to risk moving large numbers of capitals any further than they need to defend their own space. As in most cases all their neighbours are blue - capitals will become static home defense fleets.

Honestly, I just can't wait for them to be released, the main null sov holders to not change at all, and in fact defend themselves easier and fight each other less, then the screams of "IT DIDN'T WORK CCP" coming from all the idiots that think this is going to change null. It's going to be amazing.

I'm defiantly FOR all the changes! Anything that make Eve a game where you have to think more is a good thing to me. I post random stuff that pops into my head that's all lol

People threatening to quit because they cant be bothered to think is an exciting prospect in my view :)