EVE General Discussion

Nevermind the most relevant part got snipped.

I agree a little more effort is needed. I mean with out some clicking and reading a new player isn't going to know what a Raven is. So why shouldn't it be renamed to keep it nice and simple along with the modules? God forbid Eve might have a few barriers like clicking and reading to play the game.

I don't personally care what new players think. I'm not in favor of doing things "for the children" so to speak.

But EVE has needed to get rid of the dumb module names for a long time now. Half the time you can't tell whether a thing is a reactor control or a power diagnostic unit without having to do Ph.D level research. Same with things like co-processors and auto targeting units. And don't even get me started on the Signal Amps.

I don't want your version of EVE where we have to forfeit names like Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters (we already did) or Arch Gistum Depredator (sooo cool) or Tachyon Beam Laser or insert your favorite name here. That EVE would be a boring and desolate place to be.

That IS NOT the reason of the resistance profiles.

Resistance profiles are made to be strong agaisnt your ENEMY race. Amarr have VERY high explosive and high Kinetic resistance (minmatar primary and secondary damage types. Minmatar have very high EM and high Thermal.. guess what? Amarr primary and secondary damage types.

Same for the other 2.

Nevermind, I misread.

I would like to pay homage to the bread and butter of any missile-spewer's arsenal:

• Target Painter I
• Partial Weapon Navigation
• Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter
• Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
• Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
• Target Painter II

At present, as you work up through the T1-meta X ranks, the items gradually require less CPU & capacitor, while gaining optimal range, falloff, and signature radius bonus. They also become rarer, which means that there is a tradeoff between the power of an item and your ability to fund its acquisition.

When searching the market for "target painter" you will only find "Target Painter I", "Target Painter II" and the various storyline, deadspace and officer variants that have "target painter" in their name. When searching the assets window for "target painter" you will get all the modules that are in the class "target painter". Thus I would like to suggest that standardising naming for the sake of easier discovery in the market, is a furphy.

So while some misguided developer might think that the following list is perfectly fine and much easier for "new players", I disagree. This list is entirely devoid of fun:

• Compact Target Painter
• Enduring Target Painter
• Scoped Target Painter
• Restrained Target Painter

Sure, as part of tiericide it might be interesting to adjust the benefits of each target painter, such that the PWN has reduced fitting cost (i.e.: is more accessible to low-skill characters), the PWND has lower capacitor use (again, low skilled players), the PWNT gains longer range, while the PWNAGE gains signature radius bonus.

A much better aid to accessibility for new players is to improve the market search facility to return items whose group matches the search criteria. Thus "hybrid" will return rail guns and blasters, "target painter" will return all the PWNT and PWNAGE alongside Target Painters and hardwirings, modules or rigs that alter the performance of that electronic warfare system.

If the aim of the renaming process is to make items more discoverable, why not focus on better discovery tools rather than brute-forcing naming conventions to make things show up given the current discovery tools?

Just for giggles, here's an alternate view which combines both the "99% fun free naming lite" scheme and the "slightly obscure but funny" naming scheme of old:

• Weapon Navigation I
• Compact Partial Weapon Navigation
• Enduring Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter
• Scoped Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
• Restrained Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
• Weapon Navigation II

(with the two related skills becoming 'Weapon Navigation Endurance' and 'Weapon Navigation Restraint' LOL)

Because nothing builds on a joke like talking about "Restrained PWNAGE". But nothing kills the joke faster than:

• Target Painter I
• Compact 'PWN' Target Painter
• Enduring 'PWND' Target Painter
• Scoped 'PWNT' Target Painter
• Restrained 'PWNAGE' Target Painter
• Target Painter II

But that's just me.

Sorry for having basically the same rant twice in the one thread.

I have to say I like the idea of breaking down the meta modules and rebalancing them with unique specialities but...

The new naming conventions just seem a bit.... idk, not enough psshhh

Go back and do it all again.

Ehhh. Understatement of the century...
Did you know there are things like industry, research, marketing? My gf back in 2005 was so obsessed with those things she havent left the station for weeks! Her best ships was a Velator! Based on the numbers it's a 'mods' game rather than a spaceship game, but frankly, it's neither.
For the rocks and pebbles, you are wrong or you missed the course on overview basics: there are things like Veldspar, Kernite, etc, and Strange Rock Formation too! Rename those as well, don't you think? Like Big Yellow Ore, Small Bluish Ore...
Again, try harder.

No Jenn, you are not winning...at least not because someone is lying here, at least not me....if that's your criteria.

You've explained why, in your head, one item is different from another. Good for you. :)

You went right for the "no, I don't care about what vehicles are named" comment and went so far as to offer up a pretty insulting opinion of people who do. While a module is not a spaceship, a spaceship damn sure is a vehicle. You, not me, went completely reductionist on the subject and I simply used what you said.

You can keep moving the bar all you like. Me, I simply took what you said to a logical conclusion. I did not take it to an illogical extreme.

But hey, if it makes you good to feel like you're winning then by all means feel that way.


EVE is a lot more than a spaceship game; it's a merchant game, a manufacturing game, a political game, a con-artist game...so many more things than a spaceship game. Your view being as limited as it is may be what's clouding your judgement.