Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Facts don't matter to people against dojos, and while it's true that we should wait before drawing conclusions people thinking that the idea of consensual pvp is alien to eve are wrong.

But you're right nonetheless.

Ok, soo... you couldn't have a ref/organizing party organizing a tourney in a test server under pre dojo conditions?

Require all participants to join the organizing corp in the test server, the ceo or others with sufficient rights to look through the assets of the participants ensuring a compliance with fits. Have them set their clone to the station of the event at the time there of, have them undock and pod them. Have refs/organizers with a few long range alpha ships configured to blap at whatever exceeds given boundary the organizers set (eg: sit in the middle, whack anything to exceed 100km). And simply disqualify any that break the rules of underhanded logi or OGB's. If you see someone whos not supposed to be there simply pause the match or run another one. It would be up to the organizers to pick a system remote enough to be unlikely to bump into. Any players you find that consistantly screw with the tourney can be handled by your community with a simple black list.

This example has a way of dealing with:
+OGB's
+Neutral logi
+implant verification
+boundary violations
+module verification
+ship verification

As I said, this would be done on a test server not requiring the actual investment in ships and modules, and under more lab like conditions. other players can still put forth the effort to screw with you if they like, but without real killmails and no purposeful repercussions aside from harvesting frustration, there are more meaningful ways of screwing with folk in the live server where loss matters.

The organizers could set up what ever incentive policy they like to attract participants and fund their operations. Not to mention stream for spectators to enjoy.

If you put half as much effort into trying to solve the situation your self as you do backing a mechanic to do if for you with less options, you could have done something like this long ago. Especially since you speak for so much of the community and have been longing for this content for years. So please, explain how you could not attempt a totally emergent tournament offering complete player control.

Why would I have to gimp my gameplay and add a lot of unnecessary steps to have a clunky solution instead of dojos? Instead of roaming for hours I would have to organize stuff for hours and make sure to have enough people to control pods+mods +have a scarecrow always available to check boundary violations, this is worse than roaming.

Just because you don't like dojos, see how ridiculous it is? You can't possibly be serious.

Because the purpose of nullsec was always fair fights right. Once again you depart down the road of attempting to discredit any possible opposition by injecting the ideas of industry UI and such. In fact you are the only one to mention industry UI and you make comments on relevance?

Face the fact that if you wanted this type of gameplay so bad there was absolutely nothing stopping you from doing something to generate it.
You stopped you from creating this content as you mentioned years ago.

I'm talking about sov grind changes coming to the game, if you don't know (and again, you should research your subject) nullsec people are complaining that sov mechanics are stupid, CCP is listening.

BUT, the sov mechanics are only stupid because people are "metagaming" them, nothing is stopping nullsec people to play the game as intended so CCP shouldn't change anything?

Same for the industry changes, we went from a tedious UI to a nice and streamlined UI.

I don't see why I would have to gimp my gameplay and add tedious unfun steps just because you don't like it, I'm not here to please you.

First of, please keep in mind that this concept of a feature, a prototype, is only for testing purposes running on what could be described as the test server for the test server for TQ!
It's good to have early feedback on such things as this imho, as many things can change. Design, concept, etcetera. If it gets ever implemented at all that is.

So please feel free to discuss this, but do so in a civil manner!

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Thread re-opened.

Using the same logic : Noone is forcing you to go to nullsec and get sov, you and others would be imposing this on yourselves, for something you want. Kinda like how everyone else works for things in eve, so CCP shouldn't change anything to sov grind and make it less tedious.

Same for POS management, or anything that need a change.

Eve is obviously not a videogame everything should be tedious and clunky. /s

First issue is that it is now on the test server, not the live server. There are players who want arena/tournament style content on the live server, currently the only solution is CCP employees donating their free time. I don't understand the stance of trying to push players onto the test server so that there is more content on the live server? Sure you can't warp to the arena but you can stop the arena's from happening. You can force fights and cause potentially billions of isk in damage, dojos have the potential to bring content to more than just the participants.

Also people do put in the effort for this, top AT teams put in thousands of hours of practice on the test servers for sometimes less than an hour of actual combat time on the live server. Players have been doing mock tournament matches for years in preparation. CCP has to give assigned systems to prevent these practices from being tampered with, could you imagine trying to host a tournament when anybody can hop onto the test server and interrupt the entire tournament? Even with the limited tools CCP gives us to help on the test servers, tests still do not come close to replicating matches.

Next, every single one of your examples is gameable, ineffective or a horrible time sink. Your solution is to have as many if not more people regulating the matches than actually participating. Imagine a sov fight where you have 600 pilots fighting but 2000 pilots making sure people are following arbitrary made up mechanics, and then when people don't play by the rules you tell them to "go away".

A lot of the players who have been pushing this idea forward for years now have put titanic amounts of effort into tournament style pvp in the sad state it exists in Eve. It has been pushed to its limits given what little tools we have been given. We have been asking for help because it just isn't viable for us to do on our own.

If you think you can have actual, truly competitive arena/tournament style pvp without in game mechanics you are horribly mistaken, players just cannot replicate the edge of glory, reverse tidi, etc.

Your example doesn't invalidate anything if anything it proves the point that there needs to be in game mechanics to support arena/tournament gameplay like there is all sorts of "immersion/sandbox/gamebreaking" mechanics in the game to support other styles of play.

True, but as it exists now, those are the facts about its stats. They may change in the future, they may not.