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Prototype: Dojos

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Marian Devers
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#741 - 2014-09-26 18:36:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Edit: http://eve-search.com/thread/375485-1/author/Ranger_1

Ranger1 tanking like a BOSS! :) 3rd place too.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#742 - 2014-09-26 18:42:12 UTC
Not. Even. Once.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#743 - 2014-09-26 18:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
newfage wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
If this has anything to do with instanced PVP, then nope. Hell no, not one little piece of it thank you. EVE has always been a single-shard environment, that's what makes it unique. Take that away and what's left?


Good, don't use dojos then.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

In any case, after reading through this thread, I've decided I can't oppose this idea, but I can't support it either. I want to see more development of the idea and more feedback on it by people that actually use it on the test servers. There are a few things that would go against the grain of the nature of EVE with this:

1. instancing: it can't happen. It won't be EVE anymore, EVE will be dead.

2. safety: don't do this, at the very least, make the Dojo itself scannable and shootable like a mobile depot, so we can blast it into reinforce and come back after a timer to steal stuff, just like on a depot. Players using it will be forced to defend it, or lose it, in true EVE fashion.

I can't think of anything more to add here, but I will say this much - if it has the potential to liven up the PVP scene and encourage more carebears to shoot at things, and learn to fight back instead of just rolling corp/running away/petitioning CCP for griefing, then it can't be all bad.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#744 - 2014-09-26 18:48:03 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

2. safety: don't do this, at the very least, make the Dojo itself scannable and shootable like a mobile depot, so we can blast it into reinforce and come back after a timer to steal stuff, just like on a depot. Players using it will be forced to defend it, or lose it, in true EVE fashion.


It's already like that.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#745 - 2014-09-26 18:50:36 UTC
I do support it only if it is scannable and able to be destroyed. Anything promoting instancing or safety from outside interference is not in the spirit of EVE.

New Eden is a cold, cruel place, as are its denizens, so why should we support something that promotes safety?

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Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#746 - 2014-09-26 18:54:31 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
I do support it only if it is scannable and able to be destroyed. Anything promoting instancing or safety from outside interference is not in the spirit of EVE.

New Eden is a cold, cruel place, as are its denizens, so why should we support something that promotes safety?


Do you also complain you can't blob AT teams? Roll

Eve is about risk vs reward, it's not necessary a grimdark edgy cruel place. Roll

This is not about promoting safety, ships will explode that's not what I would call safe, I guess you didn't read the thread and maybe you are posting because of a jabber ping forum cta xxx. Roll

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Sturm Gewehr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#747 - 2014-09-26 19:22:10 UTC
This has a lot more potential than just being an AT training tool or gimmick for a few players. This has potential to give one group of players the structured pvp they desire while giving other groups of players content generation (loot pinatas in space). I think that other player's feedback in regards to how this can be achieved is valuable. Sure someone who has participated in tournaments and understands them would likely have more valuable feedback about how to implement the fights in the dojo, but the dojos themselves are a part of eve and effect Eve as a whole.

I think there are a lot of people in both camps who are selling this idea short.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#748 - 2014-09-26 19:24:39 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
ok, so from an outside player's perspective, how can I kill people that are using this mechanic? How much effort does it take to kill the dojo deployable?

If this provides any significant level of safety to the users, I will be leaving this game.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#749 - 2014-09-26 19:37:44 UTC
pvp in a 'protected' area - the new ultimate care-bears of Eve Online.

Sad really.

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Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#750 - 2014-09-26 19:40:36 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
pvp in a 'protected' area - the new ultimate care-bears of Eve Online.

Sad really.



I hate that CCP is giving the spotlight to carebears during the AT/NEO streams, they should stream hellcamps, afk ishtar ratting and 10% tidi blobs instead !!

And don't forget that asking for your ship to explode in a non risk averse environment is totally what carebears do !

Oh wait. Roll

I have a Ph.D
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#751 - 2014-09-26 19:40:48 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
pvp in a 'protected' area - the new ultimate care-bears of Eve Online.

Sad really.



$%^&ing CCP, they made me like a Josef Djugashvilis post with the Dojo BS.

The world must really be ending!

Big smile
Sturm Gewehr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#752 - 2014-09-26 19:46:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
pvp in a 'protected' area - the new ultimate care-bears of Eve Online.

Sad really.



$%^&ing CCP, they made me like a Josef Djugashvilis post with the Dojo BS.

The world must really be ending!

Big smile


You agree tournament pilots are the ultimate carebears?
Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#753 - 2014-09-26 19:48:57 UTC
Sturm Gewehr wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
pvp in a 'protected' area - the new ultimate care-bears of Eve Online.

Sad really.



$%^&ing CCP, they made me like a Josef Djugashvilis post with the Dojo BS.

The world must really be ending!

Big smile


You agree tournament pilots are the ultimate carebears?



It's scary but some people here genuinely think like that.. What?

I have a Ph.D
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#754 - 2014-09-26 19:49:47 UTC
Sturm Gewehr wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
pvp in a 'protected' area - the new ultimate care-bears of Eve Online.

Sad really.



$%^&ing CCP, they made me like a Josef Djugashvilis post with the Dojo BS.

The world must really be ending!

Big smile


You agree tournament pilots are the ultimate carebears?


never heard of a TourneyBear?!

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Raquel Rova
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#755 - 2014-09-26 19:51:04 UTC
Sturm Gewehr wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
pvp in a 'protected' area - the new ultimate care-bears of Eve Online.

Sad really.



$%^&ing CCP, they made me like a Josef Djugashvilis post with the Dojo BS.

The world must really be ending!

Big smile


You agree tournament pilots are the ultimate carebears?



well i didn't think so before. What about this could you not do before given the proper motivation?
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#756 - 2014-09-26 19:58:25 UTC
Raquel Rova wrote:
well i didn't think so before. What about this could you not do before given the proper motivation?


Control which ships are stocked in the Dojo?
Prevent neutral logi?

Just first thoughts.

Every day I'm wafflin!
Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#757 - 2014-09-26 20:00:32 UTC
Toriessian wrote:
Raquel Rova wrote:
well i didn't think so before. What about this could you not do before given the proper motivation?


Control which ships are stocked in the Dojo?
Prevent neutral logi?

Just first thoughts.


Add to that OGB links, implants check, boundary violation check, modules check, etc

I have a Ph.D
Sturm Gewehr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#758 - 2014-09-26 20:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturm Gewehr
Raquel Rova wrote:
Sturm Gewehr wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
pvp in a 'protected' area - the new ultimate care-bears of Eve Online.

Sad really.



$%^&ing CCP, they made me like a Josef Djugashvilis post with the Dojo BS.

The world must really be ending!

Big smile


You agree tournament pilots are the ultimate carebears?



well i didn't think so before. What about this could you not do before given the proper motivation?


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5052836#post5052836
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5053181#post5053181

Among others.

TLDR: The tools to run a proper tournament don't exist unless CCP is directly involved.

EDIT: And when they are involved they are doing it on their free time and not being paid.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#759 - 2014-09-26 20:15:34 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
I do support it only if it is scannable and able to be destroyed. Anything promoting instancing or safety from outside interference is not in the spirit of EVE.

New Eden is a cold, cruel place, as are its denizens, so why should we support something that promotes safety?


The deployable is already scannable and can be RF'd/destroyed, as has been said multiple times in the thread, yes.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#760 - 2014-09-26 20:20:19 UTC
The drama and whining in this thread is nothing short of hilarious. I actually hope it does go to tranquility just to see the crapstorm that would result from all the so-called problems people are trying to predict.