Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Sorry, sometimes I forget that CCP has a track record of never implementing terrible ideas.

Anyone who has ever tried to find a fight, or arrange one via the Dueling mechanic will quickly find out how limited it is. Get ready for station de-aggro redock, or multiple logistic alts, almost always with a booster alt somewhere in system. That aside, I think too many people are focusing on the 1v1 nature of the Dojo, and not in it's ability to potentially host multiple person fights if this was expanded upon, limit fits, adhere to tournament rules.

If you have ever tried to host a Tournament on Eve, even in Singularity, you'll know what a massive headache it is to have people show up with the correct fittings, maintain the rules, and keep the tournament organizers sane.

so this is how EVE dies... to thunderous applause.

Well...

I hope they implement this right.. I can see where it might be cool.

Wish list:

-Easy interface
-Players able to set any parameter (No links, ecm, etc)
-Ideally I would like to see 1v1 Frigate tournaments, I could give a **** about the big stuff or AT, NEO. Player run tourneys are cool.
-Some kind of way to reward the winner in the form of a medal (even if outside of corp?) or trophy or something
-Be able to look at a league's history

On the other hand, I still don't like it. I don't like it at all.

This does violate the core fundamentals of Eve.

They say Eve is dying. This being implemented wrong could kill my Eve. Catering to the instant gratification crowd might make money in the short term and I don't see this being an esport outside of the niche Eve community.

I just hope after this there are still solo frigate pilots still undocking.

I'll hold my breath for now.

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Then you need to be asking yourself why it will kill outside pvp? Remember this: not everyone has a sea of blues and instant jabber pings to back them up **** hits the fan.

Explain to me why it will kill outside pvp and then you can fix outside pvp so that these two can co-exist.

-Hot drops
-Capital drops
-Gate camps with cloaked falcon/carrier on standby
-Links + broken ships; see garmur
-Only finding 10 man gangs with 5 logi and 1 BB
-Blueball strategies where the plan is to avoid all fights to make people avoid your space
-Roams lasting hours with no viable targets for your solo ship; see gangs/camps/etc

Amazing that while I enjoy all of that listed above it would be nice to avoid all of that from time to time to have a truly 100% skills-based fight where no one can interfere to see how good you really outside the "blob" fleets

Give people a safe, easy and instant option to pvp then that is what they will pick. The fewer people out and about the fewer targets you have when roaming which only makes the appeal of instant access to solo pvp all the greater.

I'm aware of and fully understand the concerns of the players who are vouching for "fair fights" and e-bushido. It seems, though, that this concept doesn't fit in very well into the sandbox, even if you have to actually pay with ISK for having a duel on Duality (heh, note the pun). What has kept me going in EVE for almost three years now (with a couple of characters biomassed, but still going nevertheless) is that sense of purpose in all your actions, the feeling that everything you do has consequences. What is proposed here is the most bleached, refined type of PvP, or, basically, shooting spaceships for the sake of shooting spaceships in a modelled, constructed and strictly controlled environment.

If I were so keen on such kind of PvP, I'd sign up for Star Citizen. I hear, even in its pre-alpha state, your enemies tend to explode in a far more spectacular fashion over there than they do in EVE. Plus, you don't have to grind ISK for a new ship. If this element of consentual PvP is so badly needed, it still probably will be better it is kept inside the sandbox, not outside. If people start spending more time on Duality then on Tranquility, what's the point playing an MMO game? Those arena matches in Star Citizen are very nice, thay say.

Now, let's take the "new player" argument: dojos are necessary because new players need an environment where they can learn how to fly. The new player has become a sort of a sacred cow these days - a significant part of ideas here, both good and stupid, revolve around the sentiment that "this should help new players". Well, maybe, they're right, new players need a safe environment to practice. But then, let's implement the real noob zone: a chunk of max-sec space where you have endless supply of Veldspar to mine with your Venture, a countless stock of free Rifters and modules for them, and where no one is allowed to shoot you unless you give them your permission. Since you can't expect a player who's only been a few hours into the game to set up access to Sisi to enjoy flying free ships without character constraints, this will be a nice demo for him (by the way, does anyone else miss those demo versions that game developers used to make instead of stupid pre-orders, or is it just me?).

Let people train and learn in this greenhouse as much as they want, but once they leave that safe zone, they leave it for good. This game within a game will need to have limited functionality, of course: you can pilot all ships and use all modules, but you don't have anything bigger and better than T1 frigates (and, maybe, destroyers and cruisers, too), or something of a sort.
A greenhouse is a greenhouse. After all, this dojo-style refined consentual PvP has a lot in common with sex "with no strings attached" - fun, but very unlikely to result in a long-term relationship.

As for the rest of the player base... guys, you already have the duel mechanic, and this game was a sandbox last time I checked! What keeps you from going to the corp or role-playing forum and setting up an "E-bushido Honorabru Dojo Duel Fight Club", writing the rules like "no firing after structure is hit", assiging the moderators and referees who will scan ships before each fight, blacklisting trolls and griefers, etc.? What's the problem? I suspect, the answer will be "Grrr, effort" masked by a popular excuse like "Grrr, Goons" or "Grrr, Code". I know, it isn't a job that will make the instant gratification monkey sitting inside you very happy. But look at the advantages! Before long, you and your club mates will become real buddies, and your awesome club might become as trendy as RvB!

This is also a bad argument because it has already been discussed that the dojos will ripple through eve. Dojos are destroyable.

The dojos are part of the butterfly effect. They are sports arena you can blow up and potentially loot. There is risk/reward involved, they are construct-able and destruct-able. They generate content for participants and those who want to blow them up. They require being set up and protected to continue being used. You need to move assets to them in order to stock them, this involves logistics with haulers/freighters.

There is already "instanced" pvp twice a year in AT/neo, but these have zero ability to be influenced by third parties outside of meta gaming. You can actually stop these from happening using in game mechanics.

There are a lot of people who don't bother with eve because it sometimes takes hours to find something engage-able. More people logged in and in space = more content for butterfly effect. There are lots of people with busy schedules who just play a moba match or two, a few wow arenas, or watch a tv show instead of playing eve. These new or returning players would have 0 impact on your game if not for dojos, they are actually adding ripples, not detracting.

This is the dumbest idea in the history of the game. EVE is not the WOW, it is the possibility of free assassination player anywhere in the galaxy and made unialny game content. Do not hammer the final nail in the coffin of EVE!