Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is the lesson to be learned here.

Nice appeal to emotion and logical fallacy, you are obviously biased because your corporation is into "non-consensual" pvp.

You forgot that people that go/live in null or in the fw warzone won't magically disappear but having to roam for hours to find good fights is terrible for the game it lowers the player retention and give them no short term objectives, people "poaching" them to brave newbies and rvb doesn't help.

This is a sandbox, your way to play is not the only way to play deal with it and adapt brobro.

When it trades, that's pvp.


When it logs on and does anything at all.



So you are saying that you (a former CSM member) do not believe that non-consensual pvp (and the risk thereof) IN SPACE is a core principle? That's what we are talking about here. Ships IN SPACE in New Eden that (for 5 minutes) can't be scanned down and non-consensually pvp'd.

This is basically instancing, it violates a core principle of EVE (in the EXACT same way that non-scannable Tech3 ships did) and therefore should not happen. Make ships in the pocket HARD (as all hell) to scan (like Tech3s are now) and I have no objection.

That's not even necessary, all you have to do is deploy a scan inhibitor so that people won't know they're warping to a silly play fight.

In a game that encourages and prides itself on setting long-term goals, I'm weary of the idea of instant gratification. On top of that, this particular prototype sounds like it caters to a very specific group of players, who I'm willing to bet are in the minority of New Eden.

I worry that this will create a slippery slope when other small groups start to complain that their particular preferred style of play is not catered to. Should we also cater as much as possible to the participant that wants to farm rats without the looming fear of being ganked? Should we also cater as much as possible to the participant that thinks gate camps are unfair?



For all intents and purposes, this is instanced gameplay. Creating a secluded area of the game world that restricts the spectrum of player interaction in order to create a level playing field for a select few. I don't think I can adequately express how much I dread even the mere mention of instances in EVE's sandbox. EVE's non-instanced gameplay is primarily what attracts me to the game, away from every other MMO. And I mean that very literally. I can't bring myself to play other MMO's where instances serve to restrict interaction, and dissolve the concept of a massive virtual world.

I have a quote in my bio that I refer to from time to time: "If you find yourself in a fair and equal fight, you have both f***ed up."

EVE is not about fair and equal fights. The Alliance Tournament and NEO are the obvious exception, as they are not inherent to the game's design.

EVE is not about instant gratification, and that's surely to its credit.

All of that having been said...

If dojos were to remain on Duality, or even Singularity; if dojos never made it onto TQ, I could bring myself to accept them.

This idea is bad, and you should feel bad.

I can only hope that this entire thread is a CCP approved troll to make the departure of a developer more of an event by reviving a prototype from the graveyard for bad ideas.

Another fine point. Catering to the instant gratification crowd is bad because (being all ADHD) they don't stay with anything for long AND you just ticked off your non ADHD crowd by violating a core principle of the game.

This is not to say their aren't good aspects. Killable Dojos = good. ships exploding for any reason = good.

But CCP risks the 'High Sec Incursion effect" here ie "I can run incursions in high sec and make close to or above (or way above) what I can in actually dangerous space, so screw going to dangerous space, I'm just gonna X up in 5 incursion community chats and go with the 1st fleet that takes me". The existence of high sec incursions exacerbated the mistake caused by this change because it gave people an 'easier alternative that's just as good or better'.

Why roam and risk not getting kills when you are sure of a dojo fight?

Basically sums up the feelings I have for this. This is an "Arena". Pure and simply. This should not be present in EVE. It violates the premise of "PvP happens anywhere and with anyone at any time."

A few questions:
1. What is the intended area of space for this feature? High Sec is about the only place I can think of that this might be used given the 1v1 nature.

2. What does this new development mean for the "Duel" mechanic CCP implemented? It effectively offers x number of pilots the ability to PvP anywhere they choose under the overarching premise I mentioned above. Anywhere, anytime, anyone, etc etc.

3. Given the somewhat broken dueling mechanic due to the neutral alts/logi/links issue; Does this mean that CCP doesn't intend to address the neutral alt issue at all and this is a simply a workaround/avoidance of that?

4. What is the end goal for this feature? I don't see this helping people to learn how to PvP in the "un-instanced EVE" as all of the fairness and equality they have grown used to or expect to find will NOT be present. This is hiding, from users (especially new ones) what EVE PvP is.

So many more issues with this...why CCP, why?

OT -- my Like butan in Chrome is not displaying for some reason :/

1) The market via the dojo owners assets.wallet

2) yes.

3) Ask me again in a couple of days when the one I reinforced comes out.

4) Its a hack job on the Depot, so it shares its 48 hours.

5) I too want to know this.