Wormholes

It is interesting that 12 minutes after you, a CSM rep, and someone that knows wh mechanics backwards and forwards, posts that this is a stupid idea and the ramifications are playing out as predicted, the dev responsible for this goes into full damage control.

We all know that the dev in question NEVER backs out a change he makes, because he knows all aspects of the game, even ones he has never played, better than any lowly player. It will be very interesting to see what he does to mitigate the damage he has wrought, or if his hubris will yet again overcome common sense and he does nothing, but say "yeah, we are listening to your concerns."

Yeah I'm pretty sure CCP is looking at SC with envy at the way they're scamming money out of people.

Fozzie, thanks for posting. Your post is way late, but appreciated nonetheless.
We felt completely ignored by your lack of replies, a lot of forum rage ensued as a consequence.

Your change completely killed W-space for me personally, and as tons of other posters say in this and other threads, Im apparently not the only one...

The only thing remaining for me is to put trust in you and your team.
I want to have faith that you indeed monitor wh activity as you say(PvP kills, NPC kills, WH jumps, and probably most importantly accounts active and playing w-space !!! )

You have access to the data, we dont. If you come to the conclusion that your change made w-space more attractive and turns out to be an improvement, then please let us know by stating this and back it up with data!!.
So those (like me) who hate this change at least can try to understand why it needed to be done for the greater good of the game. I can then leave w-space and say, well its not for me anymore, but I understand the reason for the change. That would feel a lot better than completely not being able to grasp how you could come in here, ruin this aspect of the game for small corps entirely and thats it.


If however it turns out, as the vast majority of the wh community predicted and feared (and I am part of the w-space community, even though I always post with my NS main who has nothing to do with w-space), please do NOT be too proud to admit a mistake and take back the change. Please. Please.

Forum rage and trying to persuade you became pointless, as the last 100 pages of this thread have shown, so I will lean back and I will put faith in you that you will do what needs to be done.

so long
Enthropic

Significant change always meets strong resistance from the vested special interests. The amount of whining and complaints is quite meaningless. There is nothing meaningful Fozzie can say now, all that matters are the metrics. And not those from one day or one week after the change... maybe in one month there is enough meaningful data to assess how well the changes worked, or didn't work.

Personally, I like how people can now die close to hisec wormholes, so close to and yet so far from safety. And it's not just luck; as with most things in EVE, the stupid and careless die where others would have survived. Like that hauler pilot who was smart enough to fit a full tank complete with DC and bulkheads, but not smart enough to also add a prop mod which would have carried him back to the hole in time ^^

This is so not true. If it were true, everyone who got bombed out of wspace once by superior meanies would never come back. Well, I got bombed out once or twice, a long time ago. And I have changed my wspace home voluntarily at least a dozen times, with small or big corps or just by myself because of changing corp, five ships or five dozen or five hundred ships, with my capitals or without them. Dude, if one move, and one that is not even forced and where you probably don't lose your stuff, is enough to make you leave wspace 'for good', then I don't really know what to say to that.

Honestly, if all the whiners are right and wspace will be deserted to a man next month, CCP can always just double or triple sleeper loot values and twice the number of people will be back in wspace within one week.

Double blue loot values would make me consider it. Maybe.

Triple blue loot values would be enough incentive to move some things back and not completely shut down,
with very close attention to any "little things" that get changed as a counter balance, and might make even that not worth it.

This is for a C3. Since mining will never ever ever happen, so that income source is now zero.
C3 gas is not worth the time it takes to spawn and kill the rats.
Nano's are in the toilet, so blue loot is the only thing left worth anything, and currently is not anywhere close to enough in a C3.


Losses under current conditions will much more frequent, even with as much vigilance as possible.
And one does not kill sleepers with 20 million isk cruiser hulls...

On what game do you get 100 million per C3 anom? Last several months, average is about 35 million in blue loot plus salvage. In and around 40 million per site, goes up a little if certain sites spawn, but long term average is just over 40 million for a long time now.

And ten minutes per site..... plus run to market, and back with more ammo. Plus system scan and posting up gaurds, Plus the 4 or 5 days a week when there are too many crossholes, some of which we cannot collapse, and quite a few others that would result in catastrophic loss if you try to collapse them.


Ten minutes per 100 million isk is not even remotely correct. More like an order of magnitude higher than that.

No they can´t since nonblueloot is marketdriven and introducing new demand for it isn´t something you "just" do.
If you double blueloot it makes it even more ridiculous for the c6 farmers who already have the lowest risk.

So what? Just change the number of blue loot items dropped in certain sites (double in c3 sites but leave unaltered in c6). I don't think something like that will actually happen, but it could easily be done in one day if they wanted to.

And of course if we ask for triple, ( mining being worth zero, gas might as well be zero), we might actually get.. 10%? Maybe?

There may have been some facetiousness in the prior post.

Ship costs have also risen substantially in the last year. Indy changes certainly have not brought them down.


However, if the pvp oriented want lots of targets...... there needs to be a reason for there to be lots of targets.
Currently that reason does not exist. Especially in the lower class wormholes.
Go run a few C1 or C2 sites in the next week or two. Those guys don't even bother half the time.
If income versus class was to scale , C1 through C3 would need a fairly significant bump to equal escalations in the higher classes. Arguably there is just as much risk in a C1 as there is in a C5, possibly more risk, since a lot of the lower class holes have hi sec daytrippers, etc. Yes the ships are a lot cheaper in a C1 in that example. But getting blown up and podded out sucks no matter who you are.


Something about attracting new players............ and keeping them. Without having them all be miners and mission runners.