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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#341 - 2014-08-29 16:16:32 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile

FALCON PUNCH!

That is all.

F

No CCP post has never made me happier than this one. The Falcon Punch should be the standard reply to all hisec/suicide gank whine threads from now on.

Now we just need an equally good quote from another CCP staffer and we'd have a one-two punch that we could turn into our very own Scissors Technique. Lol

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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#342 - 2014-08-29 16:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Naari
Froggy Storm wrote:
If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.


When people post things like this, I do not believe they give it much thought.

If all the highsecers moved to 0.0, you current Nullsec Alliances would be woefully outnumbered and could can and would kiss your SoV goodbye.

It would be like China, invading America. Who needs titans when you have 50,000 Players suddenly forced into a new area? I mean really they would roll over you all in noob ships. Sure youd kill thousands of them easily probably 20 to 1, unfortunately for you, they outnumber you 500 to 1.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#343 - 2014-08-29 16:39:49 UTC
Trixie Lawless wrote:


And I'll keep saying this...pressing the undock button, flying to the asteroid belt, clicking approach and pressing F1 to pop a venture in two cycles and then docking back up after waiting a bit at an unaligned safe spot takes no more effort then mining or running missions.
If that was all there was too it then yes, it would be as simple as mining. That isn't all there is too it though. I'm not saying that ganking a venture is hard mind you, it's just needs about 100 times more effort and knowledge of game mechanics than mining....


Quote:

Its like some of you who want to only grief others just don't understand how business works. Star Citizen is not too far off and WoW is getting ready to drop a new expansion (lol @ WoW all you want, I do), and the trend in the gaming industry is for a gentle ease into player vs player combat.... Not getting ganked by more experienced players in the first week of play. Just pay attention to rookie chat sometime and count how many potential customer say "effe it, I'm out" when they have been ganked two days into the game and lost most of their assets. I understand the "it's Eve", but if this game doesn't find a way to better transition toons into actually being able to defend themselves, then new games coming out (especially Star Citizen) is going to take a huge chunk out if its player base.

We've heard that story before, many times... The reality is that EVE is still here and has been for over a decade, it has coexisted with WoW for a long, long time. Many supposedly "EVE-killers" have been released in that decade, most of them were utter crap, I doubt any of them are still relevant at any level. Star Citizen might very well be the next one to fail and isn't scheduled for full release for over 2 years...

Quote:

Hate carebears all you want, they make up the large part of the gaming community and pay the bills. And at that I'm done in this thread. No point in trying to talk sense or have a logical discussion on this topic anymore.
We all pay the bills, not just the carebears. Furthermore, I don't hate carebears, they make lovely targets and I still do my fair share of 'bearing' too. I just don't whine when I get shot out of space by other players in a PvP game...

Don't let the door hit you mate ;)
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#344 - 2014-08-29 16:45:11 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


Also, LOL @ people who think star citizen is going to be a forgiving environment. It will be the cut throatness of EVE with no CONCORD.


If that turns out to be true, it just might be that "EVE-killer" that has been prophesied for so long! Shocked
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#345 - 2014-08-29 16:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lilly Naari wrote:
If all the highsecers moved to 0.0, you current Nullsec Alliances would be woefully outnumbered and could can and would kiss your SoV goodbye.
Haha nope. If all the highseccers moved to nullsec all that would happen is that Eve would hit the news again for another massive battle wholesale slaughter.

Most highsec players can't find their own backsides with both hands, detailed instructions and a map. I'm a highseccer myself, and watching some of my fellow highsec players trying to organise anything at all is like watching someone try to herd cats. Prime example: the anti ganking brigade, there's very few of them that can do anything other than lose terribly fitted ships, claim credit for Concord kills and talk crap.

The only really organised groups in highsec are the ones who understand the game mechanics, who're usually the ones the carebears spend all their time complaining about.

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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#346 - 2014-08-29 17:21:49 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:
If all the highsecers moved to 0.0, you current Nullsec Alliances would be woefully outnumbered and could can and would kiss your SoV goodbye.
Haha nope. If all the highseccers moved to nullsec all that would happen is that Eve would hit the news again for another massive battle wholesale slaughter.

Most highsec players can't find their own backsides with both hands, detailed instructions and a map. I'm a highseccer myself, and watching some of my fellow highsec players trying to organise anything at all is like watching someone try to herd cats. Prime example: the anti ganking brigade, there's very few of them that can do anything other than lose terribly fitted ships, claim credit for Concord kills and talk crap.

The only really organised groups in highsec are the ones who understand the game mechanics, who're usually the ones the carebears spend all their time complaining about.



I laughed so hard at this.

So you know, The most ruthless PvPers are not found in 0.0 or Lowsec. They are found in highsec. These are the guys that get inside your alliance and break it apart from within. Steal all your gear and loots, and consistently sabotage your fleet ops and Awox your corp members.

Highsec PvPers are not in it for a shiny killboard, they want you to be so buthurt that you want to kill yourself in real life, and they love to feed off your pain. Your "Real" pain.

0.0 PvPers are like kittens compared to the majority of Highsec PvPers. It's a whole nother game.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#347 - 2014-08-29 17:39:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lilly Naari wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:
If all the highsecers moved to 0.0, you current Nullsec Alliances would be woefully outnumbered and could can and would kiss your SoV goodbye.
Haha nope. If all the highseccers moved to nullsec all that would happen is that Eve would hit the news again for another massive battle wholesale slaughter.

Most highsec players can't find their own backsides with both hands, detailed instructions and a map. I'm a highseccer myself, and watching some of my fellow highsec players trying to organise anything at all is like watching someone try to herd cats. Prime example: the anti ganking brigade, there's very few of them that can do anything other than lose terribly fitted ships, claim credit for Concord kills and talk crap.

The only really organised groups in highsec are the ones who understand the game mechanics, who're usually the ones the carebears spend all their time complaining about.



I laughed so hard at this.

So you know, The most ruthless PvPers are not found in 0.0 or Lowsec. They are found in highsec. These are the guys that get inside your alliance and break it apart from within. Steal all your gear and loots, and consistently sabotage your fleet ops and Awox your corp members.

Highsec PvPers are not in it for a shiny killboard, they want you to be so buthurt that you want to kill yourself in real life, and they love to feed off your pain. Your "Real" pain.

0.0 PvPers are like kittens compared to the majority of Highsec PvPers. It's a whole nother game.
Did you somehow miss the entire last sentence? The one, highlighted in the above quote for your convenience, that says that the really organised groups in highsec are the ones that understand the game mechanics?

Those organised groups that I mention ARE the highsec PvPers, the AWOXers, the gankers etc Roll
They are a minority of the total highsec population. They'd also be the ones shooting at absolutely everybody if all the highseccers moved to nullsec, carebears and nullbears alike.

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Leto Thule
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#348 - 2014-08-29 19:28:01 UTC
@ Jonah:

You remember that button that you showed me?

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Helena Tiberius Mabata
Doomheim
#349 - 2014-09-02 18:18:56 UTC
I'll put it plainly because right now theres a pretty big misconception about HighSec Gankers and the people who do PVP in highsec compared to low or null.

I have more than a few alts, like many people who have played this game for longer than a year. What i do with my alts is my choice and does not reflect on me as a person. Each alt does something for a reason, I joined CODE. because i believe with all my heart that what We are doing is right. And it is changing the face of highsec slowly but surely. Not to mention its a lot of fun to hit a timer everytime you go to gank and see if you can beat the clock and get your kill and we provide content for people in high sec everywhere from the miners and haulers to the white knights themselves.

To the people who think we are just a bunch of griefers out to get people to inflict bodily harm outside of the game, YOU are the sick and depraved ones. When we gank if someone threatens that kind of action a part of the RP Shroud comes off and we talk the person down from that spot, anything else would be the same as being guilty for the crime. We aren't just out to get people to do those kinds of things, though on more than a few occasions people quit over what we do which is just the reaping of the crop field only the good crop makes the cut the rest gets dumped and ground up ( hehehe Empire biomass pun ).

If you are in that kind of position I have heard of the "Broadcast For Reps" Foundation which helps players in those kinds of spots, if you need help there are always people who can give it, after-all we are people too, Regardless of what the propoganda would paint us as.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#350 - 2014-09-02 18:48:44 UTC
Helena Tiberius Mabata wrote:
I'll put it plainly because right now theres a pretty big misconception about HighSec Gankers and the people who do PVP in highsec compared to low or null.

I have more than a few alts, like many people who have played this game for longer than a year. What i do with my alts is my choice and does not reflect on me as a person. Each alt does something for a reason, I joined CODE. because i believe with all my heart that what We are doing is right. And it is changing the face of highsec slowly but surely. Not to mention its a lot of fun to hit a timer everytime you go to gank and see if you can beat the clock and get your kill and we provide content for people in high sec everywhere from the miners and haulers to the white knights themselves.

To the people who think we are just a bunch of griefers out to get people to inflict bodily harm outside of the game, YOU are the sick and depraved ones. When we gank if someone threatens that kind of action a part of the RP Shroud comes off and we talk the person down from that spot, anything else would be the same as being guilty for the crime. We aren't just out to get people to do those kinds of things, though on more than a few occasions people quit over what we do which is just the reaping of the crop field only the good crop makes the cut the rest gets dumped and ground up ( hehehe Empire biomass pun ).

If you are in that kind of position I have heard of the "Broadcast For Reps" Foundation which helps players in those kinds of spots, if you need help there are always people who can give it, after-all we are people too, Regardless of what the propoganda would paint us as.
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Thomas Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#351 - 2014-09-03 09:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Mayaki
Helena Tiberius Mabata wrote:
I'll put it plainly because right now theres a pretty big misconception about HighSec Gankers and the people who do PVP in highsec compared to low or null.

I have more than a few alts, like many people who have played this game for longer than a year. What i do with my alts is my choice and does not reflect on me as a person. Each alt does something for a reason, I joined CODE. because i believe with all my heart that what We are doing is right. And it is changing the face of highsec slowly but surely. Not to mention its a lot of fun to hit a timer everytime you go to gank and see if you can beat the clock and get your kill and we provide content for people in high sec everywhere from the miners and haulers to the white knights themselves.

To the people who think we are just a bunch of griefers out to get people to inflict bodily harm outside of the game, YOU are the sick and depraved ones. When we gank if someone threatens that kind of action a part of the RP Shroud comes off and we talk the person down from that spot, anything else would be the same as being guilty for the crime. We aren't just out to get people to do those kinds of things, though on more than a few occasions people quit over what we do which is just the reaping of the crop field only the good crop makes the cut the rest gets dumped and ground up ( hehehe Empire biomass pun ).

If you are in that kind of position I have heard of the "Broadcast For Reps" Foundation which helps players in those kinds of spots, if you need help there are always people who can give it, after-all we are people too, Regardless of what the propoganda would paint us as.


Perhaps I am wrong about the New Order? No. Still a bunch of... slightly disturbed individuals.
The New Orders support for Erotica1 and the encouraging out of game harrassment of players is incompatible with the 'the RP Shroud comes off and we talk the person down from that spot'.
Why keep up the lie? Nobody would think any less of the New Order because of it.

Edit : I just realised what the 'Broadcast For Reps' Foundation probably is. V. Good :)
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#352 - 2014-09-03 14:00:58 UTC
Saar Ynier wrote:
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:
a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing


I kind of have to agree here.


With people like this that don't even have a basic understanding of the game mechanics it's easy to see how CODE gets so many easy ganks.

When will they ever learn...
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#353 - 2014-09-03 14:15:05 UTC
Lilly Naari wrote:
Highsec PvPers are not in it for a shiny killboard, they want you to be so buthurt that you want to kill yourself in real life, and they love to feed off your pain. Your "Real" pain.


I don't think this is true at all. I've played with and against some nasty lowsec and highsec PVP'ers in Eve and they're awesome people in RL.

Eve is just a game... It is not real life. You're not in a real ship flying through space. It's a program on a computer.

If you're having trouble separating real life from a video game stop and get help immediately! Please don't harm yourself or someone else! No pixel in any game is worth someone getting hurt in real life.
Omar Alharazaad
An Interesting Corp
Spectrum Alliance
#354 - 2014-09-03 14:57:26 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:
Highsec PvPers are not in it for a shiny killboard, they want you to be so buthurt that you want to kill yourself in real life, and they love to feed off your pain. Your "Real" pain.


I don't think this is true at all. I've played with and against some nasty lowsec and highsec PVP'ers in Eve and they're awesome people in RL.

Eve is just a game... It is not real life. You're not in a real ship flying through space. It's a program on a computer.

If you're having trouble separating real life from a video game stop and get help immediately! Please don't harm yourself or someone else! No pixel in any game is worth someone getting hurt in real life.


+1
We're all in it to have fun. For some people the fun of others is not fun. This is unfortunate, but also the nature of the game. Please, please don't assume that the pvp guy who's doing pvp in this pvp mmo is hating on you. If nothing else he/she's probably just happy to have found a target to fight with. It sucks to be on the receiving end if you aren't prepared for it, yes, but that too is just part of the game. Buck up, learn from what you lose, and try hard to not make it happen again. But most of all, don't take it too seriously, it's just a game.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
The Marmite Collective
#355 - 2014-09-03 15:10:58 UTC
Helena Tiberius Mabata wrote:
we provide content for people in high sec everywhere from the miners and haulers to the white knights themselves.


^ Confirming this as a "white knight" myself. I clearly see your contribution to Highsec and it's great because you create content for me, and at the same time, our presence creates content for you, too:

There were times when, while protecting miners at a belt in a Falcon, I clearly realized that those miners didn't even deserve such protection, because they were AFK and protecting them seemed more and more like 'rewarding AFK laziness'.

But then I remembered, it's not about protecting them only, but also creating fun content for myself and for gankers too. I mean, I remember waiting for hours (yes, that's how anti-ganking is), refreshing D-Scan approx. every 5 seconds, and then suddenly noticing a local spike followed by this. Imagine the sensation a patient and bored anti-ganker can get at that moment. It's even better if he manages to completely shut down about 7-8 of those Catalysts with Hypnos Ion Field ECM I and prevent the gank. I experienced those unforgettable moments many times and enjoyed every second of it.
So yes, keep it up. You are making Highsec more interesting and 'alive'.

It's hard to tolerate all that mass of drama balancing between real-life threats and role-play (including the "New Order"s creepy RP exaggeration, sorry), which is sometimes enough reason take a break from highsec (Pirate). We should play this great game to have fun, not to send insults and humiliations in local and online blogs or real life threats in EVE mails. Straight

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

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Omar Alharazaad
An Interesting Corp
Spectrum Alliance
#356 - 2014-09-03 15:17:25 UTC
You seem to be doing it right. I approve.
Please inform others that this works better than throwing a bitchfit on the forums.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#357 - 2014-09-03 16:23:54 UTC
Azov Rassau wrote:
Helena Tiberius Mabata wrote:
we provide content for people in high sec everywhere from the miners and haulers to the white knights themselves.


^ Confirming this as a "white knight" myself. I clearly see your contribution to Highsec and it's great because you create content for me, and at the same time, our presence creates content for you, too:

There were times when, while protecting miners at a belt in a Falcon, I clearly realized that those miners didn't even deserve such protection, because they were AFK and protecting them seemed more and more like 'rewarding AFK laziness'.

But then I remembered, it's not about protecting them only, but also creating fun content for myself and for gankers too. I mean, I remember waiting for hours (yes, that's how anti-ganking is), refreshing D-Scan approx. every 5 seconds, and then suddenly noticing a local spike followed by this. Imagine the sensation a patient and bored anti-ganker can get at that moment. It's even better if he manages to completely shut down about 7-8 of those Catalysts with Hypnos Ion Field ECM I and prevent the gank. I experienced those unforgettable moments many times and enjoyed every second of it.
So yes, keep it up. You are making Highsec more interesting and 'alive'.

It's hard to tolerate all that mass of drama balancing between real-life threats and role-play (including the "New Order"s creepy RP exaggeration, sorry), which is sometimes enough reason take a break from highsec (Pirate). We should play this great game to have fun, not to send insults and humiliations in local and online blogs or real life threats in EVE mails. Straight


I couldn't agree more. I love it that people are providing protection for miners. I love all kinds of PVP so adding more makes me happy.

As to RP I get into some of it and it also adds content. I think it's very important to keep it in game. It's fine to say "Pay me___ISK or I will destroy your ship and pod you" but not okay to say "You're a fat couch potato that needs to stop playing Eve". One is directed at the pilot and the other at the player.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#358 - 2014-09-03 17:21:05 UTC
The Ganking Avoidance Guide, updated with a beautiful sermon from the mount from CCP Falcon.

Beautiful. ::sniff::

F
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#359 - 2014-09-03 17:34:12 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


Wow this says it all.. Please please please read that blog if you haul, mine or whatever. Make yourself a "hard target".
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#360 - 2014-09-03 23:23:57 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


Wow this says it all.. Please please please read that blog if you haul, mine or whatever. Make yourself a "hard target".


It is well written, up to the point where it encourages players to join the "antiganking" channel. I've never seen a more toxic, paranoid, and generally totally misinformed group of players in EVE. They will give you the type of advice that results in more deaths to the player, not less :)