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Plus this type of mission would make a good alternative to mix in instead of standard DED complexes. Also burner missions with cruiser or larger ships would tend to be greater than toughness of normal level 4 missions.

Just need to add a loot can to balance out missing agent rewards. Also have acceleration gate lock after a certain amount of player ship combat value enters since everyone can probe DED complex and big farming teams would trivialize risk/skill needed.

DED 1-2 alternative: frigate burner duels
DED 3-4 alternative: burner destroyer duels
DED 5 alternative: burner cruiser duels
DED 5-6 alternative: burner BC duels
DED 6 alternative: burner BS duels

Obviously your Empire space storyline concept limits DED level and burner ship size to sub-caps and security status >0.
ROFLMAO - and the idea of 1v1 burner missions between capital ships is just too ridiculous to contemplate seriously.

Mission dabblers that are doing L4s can afford to lose a 30m hull with 50m of fittings on it. Mission farmers definitely can. Not all that often, but the loss isn't crippling.

Even camped high to low entrances are moderately safe in a frigate. It's easy for a gatecamp to catch a battlecruiser going into lowsec, but it takes some dedication to set up a camp that will catch a frigate.

That's why, back pre-Crius when moving BPOs into lowsec for research made sense, my ship of choice for doing so was an Interceptor, not a Marauder, despite my Marauder skills being significantly better than my Interceptor skills. It's when you are not near sentry guns that you are at a good deal of risk in lowsec in a small ship.

I really like the deployment schedule and how new ideas can be tested with feedback.

First of all. I think the concept is great. As a frigate fan, I always enjoy more chances to fly my frigate, and it was always annoying that at this point I can sleep through Level 1s and most level 2s in the frigates I own and fly, but higher level missions is a waste of time, so higher level missions with the associated higher rewards that are still able to be completed in the same ships is great (so higher level missions, rather than working best by getting a bigger ship, would, instead have you getting a better fitted ship with better skills along with implants, and more player skill [range and transversal control, overheating, etc.]).

I would go so far as to say, you should use this as a model to try to reduce the correlation between mission level and ship size. Higher level missions should be harder rather than just having more enemies that require you to just bring more guns and tank. Not only does it limit ships to certain areas, it is also quite dull. Given that I would love to see some easier level 3 frigate matches as well as similar missions like this for cruisers.


The other thing that is great is you will need more PvP style fittings rather than the standard PvE tank the room fit. I would like to see, at some point, the concept of specific PvE fits go away; PvE should eventually require much the same things as PvP to survive (points, scrams, ewar, etc.). Granted requiring you to point enemies in a standard mission is a bit iffy, but I do hope the enemies in these burner missions can warp off (and in doing so causes you to fail the mission or at least have to restart).



My concern with this is having to do a bunch of regular level 4s to access a burner mission. I don't do level 4s because I find them dull slogfests, and I don't particularly like flying battleships (granted I could do a level 4 tengu, but see point 1). That makes or breaks this suggestion in my eyes. I can also see many missioners brushing off these new missions. After all, plenty of people DON'T like flying frigates.

I do understand that with faction fitted enemies and high rewards, we can't be allowed to just keep grinding the high end NPCs (just like how you don't find officer spawns everywhere) What CCP should really consider doing is making a bunch of these burner missions that have one or two meta fit frigates (which means no faction drops to get tons of money from) and lower LP rewards, and then turn these faction fit burners into the faction missions you get after doing a number of regular missions for a corporation. That way we always have the option of doing high level mission in our small ships, but these high risk, high reward missions are still limited.

Good points, both of them so

1) I think (and this is just me talking) that the EFT and theory crafting is PART of this missions experience. Yes, eve survival will most likely have a solution up soon enough but to make your own, to show it CAN be done in an (insert little loved ship here) is going to be part of the challenge

2) I agree, they should though I may be able to justify the mission being completed because you hold the firld, the loss being no access to any visits from the loot fairy.

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Also, i just want to make it clear; i think the idea of burner missions is awesome and i love it.

however, how you access them is dire and shouldn't be included in the game in the way described in the devblog. that's literally the only issue with burner missions.

they were described as level 4 missions, but really they're just rng based storyline missions. (something else i occasionally skip if it isn't convenient)

I like the sound of this esp as the small fast ships types are some of my favorites to fly.

Not seen a response to this question yet...

Will these missions vary *within* a faction? Will the Angels Burner, for example, always be a sig tanking dramiel with the same loadout and stats, or will there be different set-ups of dramiel that randomly get used? It strikes me that without any random variation that these missions will be figured out by the players and optimized like all the other missions in eve and will become stale very quickly.

This is an idea worth looking into. +1

Maybe the passkeys could be used to set an autopilot route to the system where the pirate lair is and there the lair needs to be probed out? The passkey could also gives a bonus to said probing so the passkey owner has an advantage on finding the lair.

I was excited for these, missions for PvP players to make money who can't be assed to train for garbage battleships to run normal level 4s. but I have to run those same garbage missions just to get the chance of getting these?

5/10 CCP, good idea, shotty implementation.