Wormholes

This is what Fozzie isn't getting - its already dangerous to roll holes. Maybe something needs to be done to make insta-rolling no longer possible, but this change as-proposed breaks too many other good things about wormholes to get at the behavior change he's looking for.

This is like a classic CCP sledgehammer nerf to a mechanic that was working fine as-is for most WH dwellers. If any change was required to deny insta-rolling it could be done much more subtlely than this, frankly.

TL;DR...if mentioned already, then apologies.

CCP seem intent on making changes to Bob's WHs (I'm wondering if they have actually consulted Bob on this occasion as well) in the form of these ludicrous mass based spawn distances...

You're not going to make things any easier or riskier for WH people because they are a very resourceful group of players...perhaps the most resourceful and inventive in the game. The only thing you are achieveing here is demonstrating your complete lack of insight into their way of life and quite frankly a very short sighted view of how PvP works in capital class WH systems. Holes will still be rage rolled using capitals or not, it may just take MORE TIME.

Let's be honest, we were not supposed to live in WHs, and so in theory they really aren't capsuleer friendly...just look at the awful state of POS mechanics, which you have yet to tackle. And since less than, what, 5% of all players live in WH space, we're not really much of a 'real-world' money sink for your profit margins, i.e. subs etc.

So, instead of making this a Mass-Based Spawn DISTANCE change, why don't you make it a Mass-Based Spawn TIME change and be done with it. Why not make the polarisation times dependent upon the mass of the ship, but still keep the same spawn distance mechanics that exist in game. Please note, I am only suggesting the course of action, because you seem hell bent on making some kind of change to WH mechanics.

So for example, a beloved carrier would get pretty much instantly polarised upon jumping, whereas a battleship would say have to wait 2 minutes before jumping back...idk, in my mind this would actually encourage more PvP fleet hole rolling since guys would have to jump through to defend their corp mates if they were engaged on the other side.

Just a thought, I doubt you will implement such a change this late in the game...but at the end of the day, the message to CCP is also pretty clear - DON'T FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN (in the first place).

Sal

BU noobs left w-space.
Bha.
Noone cares.

I don't agree with that at all. There are numerous things that have changed due to player complains. Off the top of my head

-freighter rigs (now low slots)
-expanded walking in stations (scrapped due to player complaints)
-loot spew mechanic (nobody liked this)
-warping to only within 10km (prior to warp to 0) Although it is argued this was only because the server was getting full from everyone's warp to points they were saving in every single system....

Now that being said I hope they listen to the screaming masses on this topic. This idea is terrible. As multiple others have said it's not going to create PVP content at all. More prevent it and loss of subs will follow.

I myself have been training for the last 6 months to fly a Nag with near perfect skills. Now within 3 weeks of being able to fly it they drop this bomb. My corp has already talked about leaving our WH as we would not be able to effectively defend a dread 20 km from the hole and closing with BS would take so long it wouldn't even be worth while. If my corp does decide to exodus out of our WH I will have essentially spent the last half a year wasting training time. THAT in itself is enough that I won't feel like playing this game anymore. I know I can go to null sec for capital fights but that's not what I enjoyed about eve. I continued playing because I enjoyed wh space. Other than the lack of spawning k162's this entire patch just feels like an assault on WH dwellers.

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Loot Spew.

I have held off on posting feed back as to ensure I have a calm mind. So CCP, let us begin.

I must say the new suggested Mass Based Spawn Distance mechanic does not sit well with me. I do not own any capitol but, I still think this is a miss step on CCP's part.

This particular WH mechanic was fine first go. CCP Seagull has already state that she knows this will affect rage rolling. And it will. Rage rolling is a great way to hunt for targets when your chain is quiet or just dead. By implementing this new mechanic PVP and thus content creation will slow in W-space. This adds to the grind factor for players, as well as the delay/downtime for fleets when they are working to find PVP/content.

Anyone who has formed a PVP fleet and went roaming knows if you have repetitive activities (As the new mechanic would cause, jump, slow boat back to the hole, wash rinse repeat) the fleet gets bored and people start to go afk. Or if there is no targets (Delay caused by taking so long to rageroll) people start getting bored and leave fleet, or again go afk.

This mechanic would do more to protect capitals from dictors who might try to catch a capitol on a hole. This adds unneccesary delay to game play and provides capitol ships a nice distance away from the hole as to have a good chance of avoiding a dictor bubble.

As I said I do not own any capitols so this new mechanic would affect me less with my sub caps. But even with that, if I get webbed and killed on a hole because I spawn 10k away and I get webbed and pointed before I can burn back to the hole or warp off I am going to feel like CCP is screwing me over.

As for people who are saying they are tired of people jumping through a hole seeing hostiles and jumping back and getting away. That is why you have a dictor/HIC with you. Or you bring a fast/insta locking frig/T3. If you come prepared (As you should) you can get kills.

Most of the comments I have read who are praising this seem to come from players who live in Nullsec. Those who don't like W-space. Also who know little of W-space. A trend I have noticed from the CSM for the past several years is the Null reps have repeatedly proposed changes to W-space that would favor them than people who actually live in W-space.

CCP I have a suggestion. If you find it feasible, split the CSM into three smaller CSM councils of three or four people. One for Null, Lowsec and W-space. They would all have the same duties as the current incarnation of the CSM does, but they would also represent their own areas of space. Null would have no responsibilities nor any say in W-space or Lowsec. And the other two councils would follow the same guidelines respectively. Also with this paradigm for CSM it would break the sheer numbers that Null Alliances have to control the vote for the majority of the CSM. It would give other organizations to have a primary voice.

WHers unsubbing en masse wouldn't do much other than help reduce PLEX prices in Jita. Who do you think is buying them at 800m each?

LOL, that reminds me of CEO tears in local from a WH corp we sieged. He was busy self destructing T3s cause he couldn't bring a fight against 2-3 guards waiting out the reinforcement period.

I too would like to move into C7 space.