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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2014-07-27 21:54:24 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:


My question was.. do CODE pilots get reimbursed for sec status tags or do you have to finance your climb back to 0.0? This is assuming a pilot does not want to stay -10.0.


To answer you question: No, it is not covered. If for some reason the -10 player would like to raise their sec status, it is entirely up to them with how they want to go about it.

Tbh, I have never heard anyone ask for sec tags because they didn't want to be -10 anymore.

HTH

I like to keep myself between -2.0 and -2.5 to keep some other high sec options open. I'm one of the few though.

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Jolly Rancer
You Need To Calm Down
Memento Moriendo
#122 - 2014-07-27 23:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jolly Rancer
Arcelian wrote:
I've done my fair share of ganking, only difference is I don't tout it about trying to look like some sort of bad ass for doing something that requires very little effort.

When code starts ganking afk mission running domi's and marauders, I'll be impressed. Til then you are just going after the softest targets possible, while thinking of yourselves as some serious internet tough guys.


Sensei, sir, thank you for the challenge. Goal complete and level unlocked...

I ganked (2) afk Gilas on gate who didn't have permits, does this count? I expect you to move that goal post, please proceed. Sensei, I await your next challenge Sensei, sir.

Respectfully,
Agent JRancer (Ninja BlackBelt in Training)
Aufay Gankers Union No.: 80085

***Knights of the New Order***ALL HAIL JAMES315***
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#123 - 2014-07-28 00:12:55 UTC
Jango Cane wrote:
If you are like me and pay attention while mining. -Two accounts one on lap top one on desk top, micro managing your cargo with a orca buddy CODE is not a problem. I'm not afk I wont get ganked I pay attention to local and my surroundings.


I got a permit for the following reasons.

1. I like to role play in eve and it adds something to mining.
2. Buying a permit, is not protection for myself.. being at my key board is protection enough. It is a sponsorship- real miners are sponsoring CODE to gank afk miners who keep the ore price down. It's sponsorship to kill your net flix watching competitors.
3. I know people who manufacture hulks. And personally manufacture catalysts... Again its a sponsorship to drive the price up.

I like what code is doing. Keep up the good work.



These miners are the future of New Eden.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#124 - 2014-07-28 02:02:08 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
Ganking AFK retrievers, Mack's or hulks/covetors is pretty easy, no argument there. Skiffs and Orcas aren't quite so easy and take a lot more organization and planning. Freighters even more so. Especially when they are actually not AFK.
As for it being carebearring, carebears by definition avoid conflict with other players. Seeing as ganking is nothing but conflict with other players that statement falls rather flat. It also amuses me when people assume that ganking is the only thing gankers do. Silly people.


So, how do you classify avoiding a gank then?


Successfully avoiding a gank would in my mind be PVP. You are successfully preventing another player from succeeding at what they are trying to do.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#125 - 2014-07-28 02:04:12 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
I've done my fair share of ganking, only difference is I don't tout it about trying to look like some sort of bad ass for doing something that requires very little effort.

When code starts ganking afk mission running domi's and marauders, I'll be impressed. Til then you are just going after the softest targets possible, while thinking of yourselves as some serious internet tough guys.


Look closer at the New Order killboard, they certainly do kill mission runners, it's just not their focus. A big part of that is simply that untanked AFK retrievers are abundant and easy to find.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-07-28 02:07:09 UTC
Jango Cane wrote:
If you are like me and pay attention while mining. -Two accounts one on lap top one on desk top, micro managing your cargo with a orca buddy CODE is not a problem. I'm not afk I wont get ganked I pay attention to local and my surroundings.


I got a permit for the following reasons.

1. I like to role play in eve and it adds something to mining.
2. Buying a permit, is not protection for myself.. being at my key board is protection enough. It is a sponsorship- real miners are sponsoring CODE to gank afk miners who keep the ore price down. It's sponsorship to kill your net flix watching competitors.
3. I know people who manufacture hulks. And personally manufacture catalysts... Again its a sponsorship to drive the price up.

I like what code is doing. Keep up the good work.


I think you are the wisest, and most forward thinking miner I've ever met. Code exists, and you use it's existence to make money for yourself. Well done and keep up the good work!

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Jolly Rancer
You Need To Calm Down
Memento Moriendo
#127 - 2014-07-28 02:47:12 UTC
RE: Hard Target Update

Sensei sir,

I report in to you with news of level unlocking and black belt awards awaiting from you dear sir.

Two stories for you to consider worthy of your attention and appreciation with the hopes of being awarded one of your black belts.

First, one of our stable Masters Mr. "Loyalanon" successfuly hunted a white knight in low sec. Mr. Loyal put his cyno right on the face of Mr JTClone Ares and then forcefully inserted his BLOP which exploded Mr. Ares.

Secondly, my crew the Aufay Gankers Union was alerted by a CODE scout that there was bot-aspirancy in the adjoining low sec system of Decon. A large fleet POS bashing with seemingly afk Dreads, BS, BC, EWAR and LOGI ships. I decided to bring the word of JAMES315 to the low sec heathens. As you can see, my pilot warped out with a sliver of hull and we killed one of their Oracles. http://i.imgur.com/Pp3BbUN.png

Much email from the humiliated fleet members was sent to me complaining that CODE were not suppose to attack innocent pirates in low sec.

It has been spoken, it has been done and now recorded forever, let it be known. The word of JAMES315 is powerful and can reach you anywhere in Eve. Sensei sir, may I have my black belt now?

Respectfully,
Agent JRancer (Ninja BlackBelt in Training)
Aufay Gankers Union No.: 80085

***Knights of the New Order***ALL HAIL JAMES315***
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2014-07-28 03:02:52 UTC
This lowsec incursion by you guys seems to be an interesting development..

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#129 - 2014-07-28 03:43:56 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
I've done my fair share of ganking, only difference is I don't tout it about trying to look like some sort of bad ass for doing something that requires very little effort.

When code starts ganking afk mission running domi's and marauders, I'll be impressed. Til then you are just going after the softest targets possible, while thinking of yourselves as some serious internet tough guys.


Look closer at the New Order killboard, they certainly do kill mission runners, it's just not their focus. A big part of that is simply that untanked AFK retrievers are abundant and easy to find.


-10s can't realistically kill mission runners inside missions under most circumstances, ditto for incursion runners that are inside deadspace pockets. That's game mechanics for you.

Highsec needs a New Order sized organisation of gankers that stay highsec legal, but that won't be the New Order, it will be a different group. I expect both would work together at times but have their own specialties.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2014-07-28 04:13:36 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
I've done my fair share of ganking, only difference is I don't tout it about trying to look like some sort of bad ass for doing something that requires very little effort.

When code starts ganking afk mission running domi's and marauders, I'll be impressed. Til then you are just going after the softest targets possible, while thinking of yourselves as some serious internet tough guys.

Hey, I'm not CODE, but we ganked a special edition Rokh, mining in Hek this weekend. Does that count? Yes...he was T2 tanked...and yes, it was hilarious. Three glass cannon Talos well spent.
Jolly Rancer
You Need To Calm Down
Memento Moriendo
#131 - 2014-07-28 04:14:49 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
I've done my fair share of ganking, only difference is I don't tout it about trying to look like some sort of bad ass for doing something that requires very little effort.

When code starts ganking afk mission running domi's and marauders, I'll be impressed. Til then you are just going after the softest targets possible, while thinking of yourselves as some serious internet tough guys.

Hey, I'm not CODE, but we ganked a special edition Rokh, mining in Hek this weekend. Does that count? Yes...he was T2 tanked...and yes, it was hilarious. Three glass cannon Talos well spent.


+1 defo fap mat'l brb
Reddd Herring
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2014-08-03 16:16:50 UTC
CODE is an . . . Interesting entity. As pointed out in various threads, they are an odd combination of organized crime and protectionist labor union wrapped in the vestments of a self-righteous religious cult.

Buy one of their so-called permits? No. That would encourage them. Ugh

Join them? Their goals could be viewed as . . . Forcing interaction (?) through intimidation and violence. This is not encouraging, now is it? Ugh

I cruise on autopilot from system to system looking at the chat channels, looking first at the "Local" channel and see nothing. I am seeing activity in mostly . . . Anyone? Anyone? Only the Recruitment channel! I do say hello in the local channel from time to time. Response? Nothing, nada, zilch . . .

I sit in a station someplace, or better, mining in a semi-afk mode (I use 2 computer monitors) listening to Eve to the side while I do some homework, or surf the internet. Even as I write this on the second screen, I occasionally am checking the local channel. Yeah, just the Recruitment channel getting spammed by people cutting-and-pasting their advertisements . . .

CODE: your basic goal, creating more player interaction, is laudable. That I approve of. But, your basic method is deplorable. You claim you have the moral high ground, but your actions indicate the exact opposite.

Empty. Local. Chat. Channels. Based on this indicator, CODE, you are just as guilty of the same afk-mentality you hate the miners for. Shocked

Now i am going to go take a shower and have something to eat. All while logged into EVE. Yes that is right, I'll be AFK in a station! Shocked When I come back, I'll look at the local chat channel, and I bet it won't take long to read it all. Straight

Good luck, safe flying, and be excellent to one another!
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2014-08-03 20:45:20 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
I've done my fair share of ganking, only difference is I don't tout it about trying to look like some sort of bad ass for doing something that requires very little effort.

When code starts ganking afk mission running domi's and marauders, I'll be impressed. Til then you are just going after the softest targets possible, while thinking of yourselves as some serious internet tough guys.

Hey, I'm not CODE, but we ganked a special edition Rokh, mining in Hek this weekend. Does that count? Yes...he was T2 tanked...and yes, it was hilarious. Three glass cannon Talos well spent.


You don't have to be in CODEdot to be in/support the New Order. Tons of us aren't. Gank in the name of James 315 and the Halima Code of Conduct. Be ready for awesome killmails and even more awesome tears from carebears who think they are the special snowflakes of EVE and shouldn't have to participate in spaceship PVP.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2014-08-04 01:30:08 UTC
Reddd Herring wrote:
CODE is an . . . Interesting entity. As pointed out in various threads, they are an odd combination of organized crime and protectionist labor union wrapped in the vestments of a self-righteous religious cult.

Buy one of their so-called permits? No. That would encourage them. Ugh

Join them? Their goals could be viewed as . . . Forcing interaction (?) through intimidation and violence. This is not encouraging, now is it? Ugh

I cruise on autopilot from system to system looking at the chat channels, looking first at the "Local" channel and see nothing. I am seeing activity in mostly . . . Anyone? Anyone? Only the Recruitment channel! I do say hello in the local channel from time to time. Response? Nothing, nada, zilch . . .

I sit in a station someplace, or better, mining in a semi-afk mode (I use 2 computer monitors) listening to Eve to the side while I do some homework, or surf the internet. Even as I write this on the second screen, I occasionally am checking the local channel. Yeah, just the Recruitment channel getting spammed by people cutting-and-pasting their advertisements . . .

CODE: your basic goal, creating more player interaction, is laudable. That I approve of. But, your basic method is deplorable. You claim you have the moral high ground, but your actions indicate the exact opposite.

Empty. Local. Chat. Channels. Based on this indicator, CODE, you are just as guilty of the same afk-mentality you hate the miners for. Shocked

Now i am going to go take a shower and have something to eat. All while logged into EVE. Yes that is right, I'll be AFK in a station! Shocked When I come back, I'll look at the local chat channel, and I bet it won't take long to read it all. Straight



Local chat isn't a good barometer for activity. When people talk to each other, it's usually in a private corp/alliance/fleet channels since that way you aren't announcing your plans to everybody in the area and the conversation can include people who aren't in the same system with you (or you're using a 3rd party application like Jabber or Mumble, where you can be talking to friends who aren't even logged in).

The primary function of Local chat is to provide a list of everyone in system with you. If you're a miner and were clever enough to set CODE to -10.0 standings, seeing a bunch of red boxes in the local chat list is an early warning system. Talking to them is just going to encourage them to gank you specifically.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#135 - 2014-08-04 02:56:33 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Talking to them is just going to encourage them to gank you specifically.


Au contraire sir.

Talking to the nice CODE people as they enter the system can save you.

Especially if you tell them the guy next to you stealing your ore is very AFK and needs some harsh justice.

Cool


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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2014-08-04 03:55:22 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
Talking to them is just going to encourage them to gank you specifically.


Au contraire sir.

Talking to the nice CODE people as they enter the system can save you.

Especially if you tell them the guy next to you stealing your ore is very AFK and needs some harsh justice.

Cool




Confirming I'll gank people because a permit holder states the person is AFK. Sometimes permit holders can be our best eyes and ears. And they are quite happy to see their competition go boom.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Reddd Herring
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2014-08-04 04:13:30 UTC
Thank-you for your thoughts, Arran.

Talking to them is going to encourage them to gank you? What?

They gank you if you don't respond, and gank you if you're friendly. Ugh

How utterly contradictory. A self-defeating pattern of behavior that works against the good of all. It is actually a chat, after all, not just a register of who is in the zone, as Voyager Arran referred to it. That is, however, how it is being used.

Based on that information, the problems lies with neither CODE or their victims, but the community as a whole. Or perhaps, the lack of community.Question

There are two sides here which refuse to seriously consider each others' game play desires.

Gankers: No easy targets to gank in LowSec? Well, what do you expect? They've been hunted to extinction! You like to insist they are all stupid, but really, they are not. The smarter ones have migrated to HighSec because it is safer. They got tired of your perpetual abuse, wanton cruelty, and patent disregard for their playing desires. If you look at from their perspective, you can't really blame them for loathing you for your petty, pointless viciousness which is strongly evidenced pretty much everywhere! Various groups, such as CODE, simply make it worse.Attention

Carebears: If y'all want to walk naked as a jaybird through hostile territory and expect to get ignored, you're kidding yourselves. Get over it. It's like World War II, you're the big fat merchantmen, and the gankers are the U-boats during "the Happy Times". Get. A. Clue!Attention

EVE is fine. Too many of the players are not alright. What needs to be balanced is the players' attitudes.Idea

Equilibrium needs to be achieved. Cool

Good luck, safe flying, and be excellent to one another!
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2014-08-04 04:32:29 UTC
Sorry, I may have been unclear there. Tipping your hat to them in local chat certainly won't draw their ire. It is simply that, based on my own experience with ganking, that's not the typical reception a Catalyst pilot receives.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#139 - 2014-08-04 06:04:50 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Sometimes permit holders can be our best eyes and ears. And they are quite happy to see their competition go boom.


It's almost as if they get Eve. Spooky.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Velicitia
XS Tech
#140 - 2014-08-04 10:38:35 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Sorry, I may have been unclear there. Tipping your hat to them in local chat certainly won't draw their ire. It is simply that, based on my own experience with ganking, that's not the typical reception a Catalyst pilot receives.


oh yeah, definitely say hi to the code. people ...


... and then fleet them, and give them a warpin on a competitor...

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