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The only people that this skill will truly help, are those handful of individuals that run industry jobs 24/7 without interruption on all 11 jobs or if you produce capitals/supers. If you have more than an hour of dead time in between jobs each day (or 11hrs on a single job) on a single character, this skill very quickly becomes useless for the amount of SP required for V. Whereas with a single account, where you can have 33 jobs running, now that the line limit is being removed you can centralize all those characters into a single station of your choosing that has the necessary services. That itself is going to be a much more significant way to save time because now you're greatly simplifying the logistics of moving materials and products around while you're actually playing the game. Barring that, this allows industrial corporations to benefit from this centralization as well.

Like I said, this was a skill that needed to be changed. However, this is not a good way to change it. Especially considering they could have adjusted the skill to interact with the new team dynamic that's being introduced with the industry changes.

Greyscale, I'm afraid your list is complete rubbish. One can clearly see you're horrendously and depressingly detached from the things which actually matter to industrialists to even begin to think that a 25% ME upgrade is in any way comparable to saving 14 minutes per day per level from a build job.

Did someone accidentally delete the scripts you've used the past times you've removed (significantly more) skills than this?

It's a poor show all round and stands to compromise the good will which is coming from industrialists in regards to the positive side of the expansion, such as the UI.

Do they not have multiple runs where you live? Most of my jobs take five to seven days to run.

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Good change for the game, bad change for me (as every one of my production characters has ME 5).

Still, I'm behind this change overall. My loss, the game's gain.

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+1 to this.

I was just reading this thread and I can deal with the loss of the material % decrease, but I don't see that a 1% buff to reduced time enough of a trade off. 2-3% per level is something that can be more significant.

Keeping in mind that almost all indy characters have this skill trained up to 5 as a prerequisite to just manufacturing at cost effective margins.

My biggest issue is: do we need more reduction on production time?
tl;dr: we are increasing production output, but demand is the same. So nerf all bps! Or change the skill again.....

Mynnna said that 5% increase in production means 5% more isk... Actually "5% increase in production" means, prepare to be amazed, 5% increase in production! We would get more isk if market absorb this production increase. But does it? I dont think demand will be any higher, so if we increase supply but demand is the same what will we get?

And there is another thing: now it's easier to jump on board of the industrial train (or ship) so we can expect even more people producing and another increase in supply. And team is another source of time reduction...

So my incredible unpopular suggestion is:
If you want to give us a new time reduction skill, first increase production time on all blueprints so that we get a similar level of industrial production output. =)

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Other ideas that I would love do discuss:
- I particulary hate ideas about install cost. Let it be.
- ME bonus is always nice and benefits everybody. 1%/level sounds ok, right? Not powerful enough to be 'required' and not weak enough to be useless. Level 3 to 5 is the same benefit of a POS array.... Sounds fair. Better than current version that from level 0 to 5 is the same benefit of an implant..... Or a mediocre team....
- Team bonus sounds fun! 5% increase/level?
- give production a chance to pop a t2 bpc... 1% chance/level to generate a t2 bpc if you are building a t1 item. (Crazy, huh?)


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And as a diplomatic action, I would also give some skillpoints bonus to everyone with ME skill (10% the sp spent on ME). Is that easier?

Even 1% per level would be too strong, and would become another required skill. There are plenty of T1 items out there whose margins are within 1%, and probably the overwhelming majority are within 10%, so in order to be competitive, a person would absolutely have to train the skill, even if it were a 1% / level material reduction.

I'm actually very happy to see ME get axed, and would hate to see another skill (even a much weaker version) be put up in its place.

My gripe with Advanced Industry still remains that it's only the most active industrialists who can put it to use.

A 1% / level reduction in install cost would be perfectly nice. So would a 1% / level increase in time that teams are available. Changing the skill and "giving" it to players who had ME is fine, just make it a skill all of them would actually be able to put to use, as opposed to only the most active.

Hi CCP,

To me, reassignment of SPs to a lesser skill has more of a devaluing effect in my mind than reimbursement. We've lived through both - reimbursement for learning skills (so we know it's possible), and drone skill nerfs that just happened.

I think you'll find it more palatable for us (me..) if the skill does a 2-3% time reduction per level. The ME skill gave a guaranteed performance adjustment - even if the TE skill is not able to make it guaranteed, it should allow a decent enough window to take advantage of it.