Ships & Modules

Frig.....

8.3km/sec before overheating cap stable.... yes with booster alt.
150 dps at 70km.
59 km disruptor before overheating to 70km.


Seriously I speed tank light missiles... this ship is faster than light missiles as it orbits other frigs that cant even lock it while still pointing. I understand the idea behind this ship, however CCP.... its nerf bat time.



Before you say oooo you got owned you mad.........

Since release I've gotten 30+ kills with this garmur. I write this post because this ship is truely op.... needs balancing.

Maybe nerf booster alts? I'm sure the tank on it is paper thin and Interceptors/Fast T1/Faction frigs will be able to scram it and kill it if you don't have the massive booster alt advantage on them.

I like the Garmur and the Orthrus As they are, sure it might seem unusual for a frigate to have the tackle range of say an Arazu, but your still doing meager DPS ( high for a frig but not vs anything else really )

And not everyone will have a booster alt running with theirs or Snakes like i ( Think ) yours may. The ship is really quite nice in the hands of an average pilot, its when exceptional pilots step in that a ship becomes well "Exceptional" especially when what most of that means is More SP, More ISK, and Alts

I have too disagree for what it's worth... very few people can bring the skills needed to the table to actually fly these at the level they can be considered OP.

An average pilot in a t2 fitted worm = god.
An average pilot in a t2 fitted garmur = an annoyance.

Bare in mind you also have the ability to pick the right fights and get the right engagement most of the time. This ship really rewards that. Looking at your killboard you've not really tested yourself in it either by the looks of it (although killboards rarely show a fight for what it actually is and I do not mean to disrespect the people you were fighting as some of them may indeed have been skilled pilots).

So far I would say it's fine, although as the meta plays out we will find out I am sure.

Are u ppl really bringing skill into this? Really?

Its impossible to catch and will be a serious pain in the backside for almost anything, anyone, gang or solo, without bringing skill into the equation. All an inty can ever hope to do to it is to drive it away or die trying..

How is this fundamentally different from a crow with snakes/booster?

That also points you out to 45k cold without faction, and does around 70% of that dps...

It's more like snakes/links can create a big gap in powerlevel if your weapon system (light missiles) allows to fully exploit the range, comparing to a ship without any of the two.

Considering DBH Wildcat used to PvP in a 5-6 bill officer fit Mach... I imagine his Garmur is probably worth 1.5b or more not including his pod.

Once you add in mandatory skirmish links the damage application from LML against small ships is not good. Standard Crash is almost mandatory to compensate. Are you only talking about their range?

A linked Rail-Devil is 1 good old fashioned slight shot away from grabbing it, thanks to 10 second MWD cycles another frig can get a nice overheat and catch faster frigs (p.s. MWD cycles being shorter for 1MN variants seems like a really beneficial change IMO) - the extreme range the garmur will operate at is the only thing that might give trouble - but if we rewind and imagine you are in another frig 40+km away and MWD'ing directly away from the garmur, the light missiles wont even touch you. A 10 sec MWD cycle on most t1 frigs moves them over 35KM.

I'm not denying its a good ship, or that Wildcat will roll with expensive stuff, but i'd say the performance quoted from this frig is almost prohibitively expensive given how often it will die. A Mach has a decent chance to crash a gate or 1-shot an unexpected tackler which gives it the 9-lives of a cat in real PVP environments, making it worth the cost.

If we're talking about using this as a tackler, why not just use an EAF and save cash. That 130dps means nothing against something bigger than a frig. Cruisers will have time to de-aggress and jump and if you win a 1v1 fight with a frig (which it wont win against the plethora of Dual-Rep AB frigs there are) then you've still spent a few billion isk just to kill another frigate... It'll work once then the guy brings his rapier alt and grabs the easiest 1bil KM of his Eve career. Good luck using a single rapier against a Mach.

As an addendum I'll say this: I think light missiles need a range adjustment. Its too far right now. This ship is definitely powerful but i think it's hull size balances out its use in real situations.