Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Combat BCs most certainly need something, more desperately than any other ship class atm. However, MMJD might not be it, and especially not 100km one.

Joining the people that want to leave the ABC out of it.

BS already struggle for a place in small gang warfare, this module would out class them ABC already do more damage than most ABS.

I still don't get what is up with the whole BC's are underpowered idea..

Stat wise they are pretty good.. But they are in an awkward middleground speed/powerwise.. Isn't that ok? I mean.. what are you going to do with them other than make them overpowered again to make them relevant? =/

Don't forget that ships exit the jump at 100% speed sop they can instantly warp to their aligned direction. If you cannot catch it with a scram on the first go, it's already gone.

What's wrong with using a fast cruiser?

They'll be targeting BC's so lock time wont be an issue. BCs are also slow, so are limited in their ability to close gaps. Cruisers can suck up gate guns just fine and can be fit hella fast.


Serious question, I really don't see many things getting away from the quicker cruisers in the spool time.

Might as well just eliminate the long point entirely and just dictate that every fight now has to happen in scram range or your opponent will simply teleport away.

so NO to MMJD !!!

Or make all MJD's possible to tackle with long point.
It was ******** to begin with, why can a ship that is pointed warp????

Cruisers can suck up gate guns and be fast? Are you talking about blobbing BC's with logi? Because if so yea sure that will work. Otherwise not so much.

I meant they can suck it up enough until slower things arrive. For example a caracal can be fit to 35k EHP, 2117m/s with a 9k (no heat) scram. Let's say an 8s spool time - that's a 24-25k range (16km travel plus 9km module range) for the caracal to collar the BC. Doesn't seem massively unreasonable given how ponderous BCs are and the average distance things decloak off gate.

35k EHP should last plenty long enough until other ships get in on it and the caracal can disengage and reengage. Particularly as the mod has a 3 minute cooldown so that's 3 minutes of long points being just fine so long as the MJD is interrupted by the initial scram.

This is a really good point
plus it leaves battleships in a stronger position from a positioning sense, which is offset by their slower movement speeds




if it is moved down to the smaller Medium ships, like regular cruisers etc .. a further reduction would also make sense for the same reasons (50% of BS values doesn't seem to unreasonable)

Not bump it, scram it.

I mean for goodness sakes "smaller, faster, weaker ship", so... pretty much all initial tackle then?

People are positing that it's impossible to catch as fast ships will insta pop to gate guns - I submit that a cruiser like the one I posted will tackle them just fine until the cavalry arrives as they are durable enough and fast enough to have a large margin of error.

I simply don't see how that's magically an issue tomorrow if it's not already an issue for you today. It's not even like it's a stretch or off the wall fit to adapt a nano cruiser to that role.