Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This change is stupid. You don't need to change anything on the JF to allow cargo rigs. Increasing the size of capitals and station freight containers makes sense.

CCP Fozzie are you saying here that JF's were OP? Why do they need this Nerf, please explain.

T1 freighters already can't use their own cargo holds effectively. Fill it with too much stuff and you're just a kill mail waiting to happen. While I'm all for juicy freighter kills, the fact is that they are not capable of filling their designed role. They actually have TOO LITTLE in the way of EHP and freighter pilots have been crying about it for years. While I like the idea of rigs for customization, this nerf is a step in the wrong direction and is only happening to justify the existence of capital sized rigs.

On another note - I've noticed that many combat ships have been getting some really cool skins lately and that haulers in general don't have them yet. Since freighters are giant haulers of shiney things, I'd like to propose a piñata themed skin for freighters.

Posting to voice dissatisfaction in these implementations. This is a chain reaction of decisions around the move to rig these hulls. The process isn't flawed, the hulls just shouldn't get rigs.

Yet another win for the gankers as if it isn't already easy enough for them to kill freighters. I don't think I'm going to be playing this game much longer the way things are heading.

So left me get this straight.

I have a perfect skilled Charon now, I can haul the most of any non-jumpable ship in the game.. But now, I need to dump another 1.5-2 BILLION isk in Cargo and Tank rigs to get back where I am now ?

How is this fair to anyone ? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of rigs and all, but you're adding a huge expense to those of us who already have freighters, to keep doing what we are doing.

Seriously? You are nerfing freighters? I... I can't believe it!

They are flismy enough as they are, the last thing they need is an EHP nerf.

So now I can use rigs. Great, but the freighter is just going to be worse than before, at a higher cost.

I don't really mind that the hold is shrinking, eventhough I don't know why you would do that. I do, however, mind that the EHP/m3 is going down, eventhough the price increases.

What's the point of "rebalancing" freighters, if it's only to reduce the profitable ganking threshhold even more?

The tiericide made it dirt-cheap to suicide-gank freighters, so I was expecting this balance pass to give a massive buff to freighters.

Considering unsubbing my freighter alt now, and I don't think I'd be the only one.

Can't really comment on JFs I don't use those, maybe their nerf is deserved.

So we have a combination of industry changes which will in all likelihood demand more hauling and add to it a change that makes hauling more difficult/expensive, which should drive prices up.

One would have expected that one would be offset by other other instead they are compounded. The ones that seem to get hurt here are the smaller manufacturers as the large scale manufacturers are simply adding more freighters and jump freighters to the mix. If you lose your only and now more expensive freighter it's a catastrophe for a small guy, if you have ten running simultaneously, then it's no big deal.

I am struggling to see how this makes the game more enjoyable and less of a grind. Can someone explain what the thought process was here and what the intended outcome is? Admittedly, I am with the slow team and I don't catch on how these things in the game actually work.

So, what's better: Resistance rigs or trimarks for my Providence? Kinetic or thermal or explosive? Decisions, decisions.

It's kind of deserved from the viewpoint of how easily they can just bypass many dangers with their jump drive. This change balances that out by making all the parts where you can't jump a lot more slow and dangerous.

As for the rest, it was all to be expected. Hence the obligatory “told you so”.

If they're out to get me, yes. But outside of special occasions, that's pretty much never the case. Four years and not so much a a lock-on suggests that it was a pretty good choice since it's such a poor target.

Your perspective is likely to vary with your corp ticker, though.

Way to take a dump on haulers Fozzie. Less tank+less agility+less cargo space but if you spend a lot more isk on your already expensive ship you can fix one, maybe two of those nerfs. Not to mention the 50% more fuel consumption coming soon.

I assume that your goal is to spread industry out all over null so that local markets can do everything themselves. Unfortunately, I believe that the exact opposite is what's going to happen. Hauling nerfs are going to cause people to congregate even more closely together than they already do, not encourage them to spread out more. There just aren't enough people interested in doing every aspect of industry in every corner of the universe and forcing people to do things that they don't want to do doesn't generally work out well.