EVE General Discussion

Mark my words... If you think randomly seeding a new map and allowing a single player built stargate to get there is an expansion then you are wrong. It can't be called an expansion when all it offers is the old gameplay in a new form (and this is all we've had from CCP these last few years).

People already fight over SOV, people already visit unknown space (WH's) and people already trade on the market. If all you are going to get is a bigger map and and a new way to get there how is that an expansion?

At best it's just a polish of the database values with a procedurally generated random map. The future of eve is just that a stat change here or there, a few deployables and tool-tips that push the game more towards 'easymode' for noobs.

"no changes to the spaceships in this spaceship game could ever be considered an expansion. it only counts if you can change your bra"

Yet another straw man and a very poor attempt to conflate present conditions with previous ones.

I remember when eve had real expansions that genuinely expanded game play in new directions such as pi as I say those days have gone, and it's all thanks to the fis only crowd.

I don't need one either.

Is the one advantage to having petite, yet firm puppies with zero sag.

Plus my jacket and flightsuit have a kinda inbuilt "support" system anyway. Very handy for the pixellated woman on the go in today's New Eden.

Actually that's not a bad idea - we should modulise all of EVE so we don't have to suffer the parts of the universe we don't personally interact with. I'd like to see industry and trade removed from the code or shifted to another server, probably all of nullsec too along with it's inhabitants, and certainly NPC forum alts.
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Hmm, while I'm a WiS supporter, I'm not sure this is quite right. Everyone wants the space game to be great, even people who also want WiS, the reason CCP re-focussed on FiS is because it had been neglected for a while and things had come to a head, and the piddly, gameplay-free abortion that was presented as WiS, along with its being forced, and hangar taken away (and several other things) only added insult to injury - so CCP had to pull their fingers out of their arses pdq and get with the programme.

Which they did, and are doing, and doing rather well these days.

Also, any new direction gameplay is going to go in EVE is going to be focussed on player interaction by default. The days are long gone when interaction with the NPC world mattered - the last vestiges of that, of EVE being anything like Elite, with lots of NPC interaction as well as player interaction, died with the Agent quality revamp.

Nice dress you're wearing...

Let's start with your avatar. Can you please petition to CCP to delete it from the server and nuke the dress you're wearing from your inventory?

Edit: wanted to respond to this:

Actually there's plenty value to displaying turrets on a ship.

I'm very on-board with CCP's future vision. Unfortunately for you, and as they have shown and stated many times, it doesn't include WiS.

This seems to be the same inconvenient truth you've been stuck on for a while now.

Sorry to have rushed you buddy.
Could you take your time, then, and think of an 'expansion' in the last 11 years that you are super-sure counts as an expansion? Because all of them involve "just changing ships and adding space and stuff" which you claimed isn't an expansion.

Well you said "mark my words" and I did. Specifically:


So let us take a nice little look at eve's expansions and see whether they pass your litmus test for "being an expansion"

Castor:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
Added missions, loads of new things to do.

Exodus:
Welp.
In what is going to become common, this isn't an expansion. Just lets you perform the same gameplay actions in different scenarios.

Cold war:
Not an expansion, just adds extra PVE (same gameplay) and ships.

RMR:
Noooooope. Just some more ships 'n' stuff, tweaked stats on character pages.

Bloodlines:
Nope. Tweaking numbers again.

Rev 1:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
Scan ****, yo! That's new.

Rev 2:
Nope.

Trinity:
New face to the same old gameplay, and some more ships and stat tweaks.

Empyrean age:
Not an expansion. FW is just the same gameplay.

QR:
Stats/ships/etc

Apoc:
Not an expansion, new stargates into new unknown space isn't an expansion, as per your post. Rest of the expansion is just ships and stats.

Dominion:
Organisational changes, ships, stats. Not an expansion

Tyrannis:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
New feature: get RSI from a bolted-on minigame, that offers no actual gameplay other than being a click magnet.

Incursion:
Nope, just ships, stats, some PVE changes.

Incarna:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
New features: a store no-one wanted, barbies that can't leave their room, warm plastic in-place of your GPU.

Everything since: ships / stat tweaks.

So in your own terms Eve has only had 3 expansions (2 if you quite rightly discount the leaving-beta changes as an expansion). Both of which were unpopular.

You know, maybe you're seeing this all wrong, because under your own definitions 'expansions' are bad for eve online. CCP should clearly stick to not offering "new gameplay" and instead stick to what has worked in the past.

Or, and this is just an idea, maybe it's ridiculous to play down Eve's future vision as "just old gameplay in a new form" when that's been the core of Eve since it's inception.