Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Only a couple of ships which I can think of that have the range and tracking required to snipe this ship. Bearing in mind that it will be running with a sig at around 100 with mwd on and very high transversal. Even a corm which is probably the best ship to snip the Garmur has only around 0.035 tracking, which may not be enough when you consider how fast the ship will be able to travel. And most ships do not get that much of a bonus to railgun tracking either.

I think apocs would be realistically more dangerous. With pulse. Because you cannto kill them very fast and they have a LOT of time to degrade your EHP even with "barely hits"

Echoing what Bram said earlier, these ships seem really very uninspired by the standards of other pirate factions.

If the super velocity missiles is meant to be the one area they excel in far beyond the capability of an Empire ship, that's a bit...weak. The warp disruption range attached to an actual primary combat ship is nice but it's nothing new (Proteus) or even particularly engaging given that these are designed to kite, though it is strong.

The ships are almost certainly strong enough without it, but perhaps a little more flavor through something relating to sigrad or even interdiction strength or similar?

On that note, are we ever going to see Centurion implants looked at?

While i think the stats of the ships are fine, i feel like they should get some special unique trait that really makes a difference, people suggested warp disruption strength or reload time, i think those would be cool and would make them stronger without being to OP.

god reading all the fourms make me laugh . there are people saying these ships are op and people saying they are balenced just makes me laugh.

so lets compare 1 ship to the new faction frig THE CROW. same slot layout except for 1 rig

what has the crow ever done for me?

First it also has a long point...not as long but not enough difference to make a big deal .

The crows base speed is faster ..(.what a kiting missile frig with a long point thats faster)

The crow has a bonus to the cap usage of its point ( you can run mwd and point cap stable and manage disrupter and damps new faction frig opps it cant..... thats a shame)

The crow has a 75% reduction in sig penitily from mwd (oh makes the new faction ship job to apply dps on me so much harder)

PLUS the crow in interdiction nullified WTF this ship is op oh hang on thats the crow not the new faction ship REALLY

So there is a much better kiting missile frig out there than this new OP faction ship

Get a grip guys the Mordus frig is only fractionaly better than a t1 frig... op it not... will i fly it over my crow what do you think.

as for the cruiser and bs same thing goes

I dont think these new faction ships were intended to be on a par with the other faction ships that are coming out in the summer CCP rise could not have made such a misscalculation without it being intended . I think they are intended to be the poor uninspiring faction ships found in low sec.

Are you sure we are not already over budget with 1000dps @ 166km from a single weapon system? :)

It definitely needs that 7th low slot or the increase to 7.5%.

Personally i think the DPS on a shield tanked fit is almost at that perfect level, so im not sure a 7.5% buff would be right, id rather see a 10% buff and the loss of a launcher & high slot in favor for a Low, this works out then as 9 effective launchers and an extra 50 or so dps, but it would allow the ship to possess an armour tank that will work while having a DPS mod in the lows (matching the Mach)

Yes, so they just took the design from the ships which are already considered borderline OP, and put them on steroids.

I still wonder what's the point of missile kiters when missiles are inherently bad at kiting thanks to the flaws of dmg application of missiles.

Missiles are a little crappy without webs and/or TP's and I can't see the slots for such on any of these ships.


These mordus are absolutely hilarious "missile specialists". They are no specialists at all, more comparable to monkey's playing X-Box.

Not a single appication bonus is just.... Well.. I can't even find words for it..

The corm is quite powerful against the Garmur, so will probably end up being the best counter.

Corm dps

From this dps graph you can see the corm doing ok dps against the ship, but it will still take some time to wear it down.

With halos then the damage can be minimised to something which can be easily shrugged off,

Corm dps with halos

The story is different vs any other ship though, damage is negligible as can be seen against this harpy.

Harpy dps, no implants

Corm looks like it will be a good counter, but I think any other ships will struggle as they don't get the kind of bonuses to tracking that the corm does. Will be interesting to try out some more combos on the test server though, but from theory crafting done so far I'm still pretty sure of the opinion that the ship needs it's speed dropping to around 350 m/s, and perhaps dps or tank increased to compensate.

Edit - Using Iridium Charge works out a lot better, with corm doing around 120 dps and harpy 100 dps. I was using javelin in the example above which fails to track the Garmur properly hence the low dps. Most other ships will still struggle though, but the speed of the Garmur could still do with a nerf, to around 370m/s just under that of the Daredevil would probably be fair.