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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#161 - 2014-05-02 18:50:44 UTC
This thread demonstrates how much activity can be generated by nothing. Humans like to call themselves "intelligent". Frankly, I don't see it. I've seen sheep make better sense than this. Could someone please explain why this behavior is so prevalent in a species that has supposedly conquered all manner of things...space...uh...space...uh...Oh...I see.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#162 - 2014-05-03 08:41:11 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You are all better off sending me the money and in exchange I'll send you back a poorly drawn MSPaint of what I think the interior of your captains quarters would look like.


A butt hurt goons tears,


delicious...


Why would he be "butt hurt" for having exactly what he wants - a firm commitment from CCP to focus on spaceships instead of barbie dolls in space casinos?

I've said it before, if you pro-WiS guys want any traction on your hopes and dreams of roleplaying a forbidden Amarr-Minmatar 50-shades relationship, you need to actually make sense.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#163 - 2014-05-03 09:25:43 UTC
If the new Dust on PC works, theirs hope for WiS, the two games will be connected, it can actually have a purpose.

The Tears Must Flow

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#164 - 2014-05-03 09:51:15 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You are all better off sending me the money and in exchange I'll send you back a poorly drawn MSPaint of what I think the interior of your captains quarters would look like.


A butt hurt goons tears,


delicious...


Why would he be "butt hurt" for having exactly what he wants - a firm commitment from CCP to focus on spaceships instead of barbie dolls in space casinos?

I've said it before, if you pro-WiS guys want any traction on your hopes and dreams of roleplaying a forbidden Amarr-Minmatar 50-shades relationship, you need to actually make sense.


Thanks for your tears, I've added them to the others, later on I plan to **** on them.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#165 - 2014-05-05 01:23:17 UTC
Is this the 'hug your knees and pretend something else is being said' part of the thread, or what do you even imagine "tears" are?

I guess you're just using words that you've seen the big kids use without knowing their meaning, which is cute and everything, but you might want to mimic something more relevant to the post you're quoting, because saying "lol tears" to someone who has gotten what they want at your expense, just makes it seem like you're projecting your own ennui pretty hard.

Anyone who doesn't know why WiS is a bad idea needs only play 30minutes of STO, wherein they're sure to receive multiple messages from xXxhornyorionslavegirlxXx offering a trip to see some black holes.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#166 - 2014-05-05 08:47:55 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Is this the 'hug your knees and pretend something else is being said' part of the thread, or what do you even imagine "tears" are?

I guess you're just using words that you've seen the big kids use without knowing their meaning, which is cute and everything, but you might want to mimic something more relevant to the post you're quoting, because saying "lol tears" to someone who has gotten what they want at your expense, just makes it seem like you're projecting your own ennui pretty hard.

Anyone who doesn't know why WiS is a bad idea needs only play 30minutes of STO, wherein they're sure to receive multiple messages from xXxhornyorionslavegirlxXx offering a trip to see some black holes.


The op's premise is that CCP should consider a kick starter style campaign to create wis on the grounds that sufficient money can be raised to allow development without taking any resources away from the current game. Meaning that if successful that the present plans for eve and the development cycle would be completely unaffected.

Thing is though you can't see this point, all you can do is say that 'daddy said he wouldn't do it for a long time'.

So quit your crying and your whining over hypotheticals, we've waited a long time whilst changes have made to the spaceship side of the game, in gaming terms nearly three years is a long time, and we're perfectly entitled to support this idea.

Without further development of new features and game play eve will stagnate and become unsustainable as a 90s style mmo.

I will support anything that expands the eve universe and the game play possibilities within, as new Eden is a fascinating place full of the best and worst examples of human behaviour, it is not and never will be anything like STO. Sadly you don't embrace any development at all, unless it's ship balancing perhaps, but fiddling with the stats on old stuff isn't really development is it?

suck it up big boy, or go and cry some more.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
#167 - 2014-05-05 08:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
The op's premise is that CCP should consider a kick starter style campaign to create wis on the grounds that sufficient money can be raised to allow development without taking any resources away from the current game. Meaning that if successful that the present plans for eve and the development cycle would be completely unaffected.


Well, that kind of mentality is what kills software businesses. The moment someone in senior management thinks "More money = more resources" it's time to pack your bags and get the hell out of there.

It essentially means:
- management does not have a good connection with developers and don't have a clue about development processes;
- developers are expected to work more. Sometimes, but only sometimes they are even paid more (because of the "resources") because when it comes to "more money = more resources" the management already does not care about the product or its quality and see only cash;
- Inevitably, the deadlines would not be met and management does not see why... after all they had more "resources" Ugh

The only way out is to hire more developers that would be dedicated to the new task. You can imagine what happens to most of them when the feature is finished and put on maintenance mode. That's not something every experienced developer would consider as a good career move with a future.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#168 - 2014-05-05 09:03:43 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
The op's premise is that CCP should consider a kick starter style campaign to create wis on the grounds that sufficient money can be raised to allow development without taking any resources away from the current game. Meaning that if successful that the present plans for eve and the development cycle would be completely unaffected.


Well, that kind of mentality is what kills software businesses. The moment someone in senior management thinks "More money = more resources" it's time to pack your bags and get the hell out of there.

It essentially means:
- management does not have a good connection with developers and don't have a clue about development processes;
- developers are expected to work more. Sometimes, but only sometimes they are even paid more (because of the "resources") because when it comes to "more money = more resources"the management already does not care about the product or its quality and see only cash;
- Inevitably, the deadlines would not be met and management does not see why... after all they had more "resources" Ugh

The only way out is to hire more developers that would be dedicated to the new task. You can imagine what happens to most of them when the feature is finished and put on maintenance mode. That's not something every experienced developer would consider as a good career move with a future.


Good points, all of them. I imagine there's people out there that would take the temporary work though if it paid enough, but this doesn't detract from your points made, I agree management can tricky.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#169 - 2014-05-05 09:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Well, the CCPeen's gone limp and the Reivented Wheel ain't spinning anymore... maybe now they'll grow some ballz and get some WiS done on Unreal 4. Seems like the most probable outcome considering the other 2 games gonna be on it too.

I pledge to resub my account to play them when I can open the door and go from the CQ into them.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#170 - 2014-05-05 10:43:37 UTC
*revisits cash cab thread

So what's the total cash grab up to at this point?

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#171 - 2014-05-05 11:03:51 UTC
I pledge 120 Phased Plasma L.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2014-05-05 11:06:13 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
This thread demonstrates how much activity can be generated by nothing. Humans like to call themselves "intelligent". Frankly, I don't see it. I've seen sheep make better sense than this. Could someone please explain why this behavior is so prevalent in a species that has supposedly conquered all manner of things...space...uh...space...uh...Oh...I see.

Thanks for admitting that you socialize with sheep (and apparently talk to them?). I'm sure there's a support group for it.

Did you have any actual arguments to make?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#173 - 2014-05-05 16:24:02 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
The op's premise is that CCP should consider a kick starter style campaign to create wis on the grounds that sufficient money can be raised to allow development without taking any resources away from the current game. Meaning that if successful that the present plans for eve and the development cycle would be completely unaffected.

The OPs premise is woefully misguided at best, and an attempt at manipulation at worst. "More money" doesn't mean you get development without impeding the rest of the game. CCP have said the same thing before; you can't get multiple women pregnant to get a baby quicker than 9 months. This ignores the fact you're basically asking for CCP to hire people for a short contract and then fire them again afterward. Surely, a way to get wonderful work done.
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So quit your crying and your whining

At this point I just need to refer you to a dictionary, and/or a language teacher. Someone isn't "crying" when they are rationally explaining to you why
a) They already have what they want and it's not going to change
b) Why they are happy about it.
Seriously. I can't re-iterate to you again why claiming "tears" is insufferably dumb and makes your argument nonsensical.
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Without further development of new features and game play eve will stagnate and become unsustainable as a 90s style mmo


Fact: CCP has seen steady subscription growth since 2003
Fact: There is one exception to this: when they tried to work on WiS instead of FiS

Do you see how illogical it is to claim that WiS is going to "save the game" when no-one other than a small minority (who can't even begin to make cogent arguments) support it?
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I will support anything that expands the eve universe and the game play possibilities within

Great. Luckily there are countless opportunities to do this in the realm of what people subscribed to: a MMO sandbox spaceship game.
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suck it up big boy, or go and cry some more

Suck what up? Your nonsensical opinion? CCP aren't talking about developing WiS. There's no support for it.

What do I have to be sad about?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#174 - 2014-05-05 16:26:05 UTC
Wait, I get it. This is "you're posting therefore you're mad about it" Eve-O logic, right?

Heh, you guys.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#175 - 2014-05-05 17:06:57 UTC
"Fact: There is one exception to this: when they tried to work on WiS instead of FiS"

This is not a 'Fact' and it's also not true, stopped reading after that because it kinda undermines everything else.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#176 - 2014-05-05 17:14:36 UTC
I pledge to continue playing this game if you just abandon this ******** WiS stuff

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#177 - 2014-05-05 17:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Shut up man, you guys ain't even got the ballz to pleadge for WiS...

I pledge $150 to play WiS, Legion and Valkyrie if they're not subscription based or pay2win.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#178 - 2014-05-05 17:39:33 UTC
I pledge $10,000 of the op's money to NOT work on WIS.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#179 - 2014-05-05 17:46:04 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
you guys ain't even got the ballz


Thats right, I dont have testicles. Thats one of the ways that makes girls and boys different. You can write that down in your notebook for later.

While you are doing that, you can try really hard to think why it would take bravery (which is what I think you mean) to want to do something as ridiculous as pledge non existant money to a non existant project.

If you love the idea so much, start a KS.

You seem like the sort who might.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Luna Lockhearts
Defiant Liberation Corporation
Defiant Collective
#180 - 2014-05-05 18:49:13 UTC
I don't know why they even stopped WiS in the first place, sure everyone was worried that they had lost sight on internet spaceships and were moving on to other stuff so the players protested, which is fine but instead of focusing on EVE they went and moved focus to Dust instead.. an FPS that I personally thought was a mistake right from the beginning, and on console of all things, a place dominated by COD and other crappy shooters. (why people protested against WiS and not Dust I have no idea)

So now here we are with only a captains quarters and a failed FPS.. *Sigh* I was one of the few looking forward to WiS, I hope they start working on it again soon.

Some people are like Slinky's, Not much good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.