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Now introducing the Black Ops Mining Gang! Well... nice new ship. Although, I'm afraid I won't be used a lot. Reasons for that are already mentioned above multiple times.

I like to see new opportunities to mine in low, but CCP still fails to buff low-sec mining. Currently Low-Sec mining is just not attractive no matter what's to be harvested. Either mine in Sovereignity Null or Highsec...
And one thing said in advance: Low-Sec Mining won't get more attractive by nerfing high-sec mining. That will just pi** of those who need a steady income for PLEX. That said, here are some reasons why low-sec mining sucks:

• Just to mention it: Risk of Shiploss. While that's part of low-sec mining, more frequent shiploss lowers the yield.
• Expecting Attacks/Shiploss means also using max-yield-fitting and yield-implants is a bad idea, thus lowers yield.
• Boost. No need to explain this. Orcas in Low are a rare sight -for good reason. Again, lower yield.
• Transport. How did CCP think Low-Sec miners get rid of their ore/minerals? Selling in Low doesn't pay, ferrying using Industrials is time-consuming and risky, Blockade Runners have not enough Cargo and Jump-Freighters are expensive in more than one way. Spending time hauling instead of mining means lower yield.
• Permanent Attention required. Accept it or not, but a lot of people won't mine if they need to pay attention to every single ship (multiboxers!) every fraction of a second of those hours of mining. Once you're scrambled, the fight is usually over for the barge/exhumer. ECM-Burst may solve the problem, but is banned in low (?!). Let me clarify this once again: There is no "active defense" (offensive modules) on mining ships unless you go for drones (and have good skills there) and probably drone damage amps and theoretically -banned- smartbombs. Having your second alt (if exists - keep in mind solo-players!) standing by for defense means this alt is not mining like he would do in high-sec. And once again (you already know it...) this lowers your (overall) yield (per char).

Under the bottom line ore would need to be a lot more valuable in low than it is in high.
Here some thoughts (maybe not 100% thought through. but still good as inspiration) to make lowsec more attractive:

• Buff the Orca after it got partly obsolete (as ore-hauler) following the industrial buff. Give it larger Ore-Hold and allow it to travel safe(r) through low -either buy warp-core strenght +? or by Low-Range Jump-Drive.
• Buff the Rorqual after it will become partly obsolete during the expansion (compression).
• Warp-Core Strength +? Fleetboost module
• Blind-Warp ? AU into current aligned direction. Currently 1-2 bookmarks (per belt) in opposite direction are required to always stay aligned in a belt. That's just stupid...
• Auto-Repating D-Scan with its own filter (not the Overview-Filter). On D-Scan you care about ships and probes most of the time...

Disclaimer: I accept that this post will probably be quoted by (1) ignorants hating highsec players (also "carebaer-haters"), (2) people just saying "no", because they lack arguments and (3) long-time residents of New Eden which are against any changes because they fear some of their 100M+ Skillpoints may be devalued. (SCNR)

A covops cloak on a venture... because FW plex farmers needed even more of a boost? Really CCP? I can only begin to imagine how abused this is going to be.

Awesome job on this one CCP, thanks for giving lowsec and FW the shaft again!

An additional 3 lowslots = potential bigger stab bonus. Nice try.

This.

Why ninja mine if you can not kill NPC that guard the site (esp scramble frigs)? It needs at least 1 drone otherwise why go to a gas/ore site.


It will see action but I doubt for the announced role.

It's beginning to look to me like the prospect will fit into some playstyles better than others and into some uses better than others.

the people whose playstyles and/or intended uses don't match aren't too happy.

there will be other 'expedition' frigates, people. This can be considered a 'prototype' for the entire line.

it is very possible one or more of the other 'exp-frigates' will fill those niches you are worried about.

I very much doubt any will (or can) fill them all.

It is entirely possible other exp-frigates will enter the game ALONGSIDE the prospect. I wouldn't be surprised if CCP is watching this thread VERY closely and addressing your concerns already.

Please, give them a chance to develop the line.

They need to create more incentives to mine more in order to at least give compensation for the lost loot minerals a chance.

That was just my initial reaction. I appreciate the new form of game play that might emerge from a jump capable resource gathering ship but other than that, I don't think it's been handled right.

The Venture is already good at operating in dangerous space, to the point where many people consider it overpowered due to the difficulty in actually catching one... And now CCP are giving it a covert cloak and making it jump capable?! ... Don't talk to me about balance

I'm just really surprised about the lack of any exciting announcements this year.

Would removing the Nocxium from Pyroxeres have any impact on the hi sec supply of Nocxium?

It's just that the endless flood of people asking for higher yield ores or higher yield mining lasers have to be continually reminded that higher yields will actually reduce the value of the ore you're mining. In the meantime lowsec ores are undervalued because people would much rather mine Pyrox in hi sec for 10 hours than Hedbergite in lowsec for 1.

This gets back to ISK/effort, which you mentioned caught you by surprise in the last dev blog about mining. The effort of mining Pyrox in hi sec for 10 hours is actually lower than mining anything in lowsec for 1 hour.

Replace the Nocxium in Pyrox with Pyerite, suddenly the Nocx-bearing asteroids are worth more without having to shove more stuff into them.

Its a Tech II Ship, what did u expect?

My magic crystal ball...says, Gallente Starship Engineering and Mechanical Engineering.
Its a ORE Ship. Come on XD

To build it, I think u will need Frigate Construction, as it is a Tech II Ship.
Some kind of magic, huh?

Greetings

Why does this keep creeping up? Are people that bad with simple game mechanics? The Prospect can literally tank battleships thanks to a small sig. Cruisers in LowSec aren't a problem either. So the ship doesn't need guns.