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True but you're still missing the point. The only thing the minmatar station is good at is reprocessing. Yes you "can" add a refinery to all the other station, but they won't be good at it. Minmatar curreently has a 20-30% refining advantage currently ofer any other station as a refinery.

This is advantage is getting heavily nerfed to 2-3% over the other station with this patch while having no other advantages

so your argument is that the minmatar station no longer has a distinct and unique advantage over the other types of stations

*Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

Gallente/Caldari/Amarr refining max: 57%
vs
Minmatar refining max: 60%

At the end of the day, taking a 3% loss to not have to jump the minerals from the minmatar station to the other stations might be just the cost of doing business. (Do note the cost of upgrading any station to it's max refine is going to create some headaches and take awhile, but are probably underway as we speak.)

Minmatar stations will reach the 57% level much cheaper, so they will probably still be dropped in places where high volumes of ore/ice are. People will still use the manufacturing slots, and it may be to the owner's benefit to install more of them instead of going to 60%.

In other words, there will be more reasons to upgrade a station to it's max potential and a lot more differences between outposts. We'll also be able to choose whether we mind spending a lot of jump fuel moving things between minmatar and amarr stations (or in system towers) to build things, or just refine in amarr and build, or jump it to the caldari where our bpo's are being researched, or gallente for the bonuses they have. Or just mine straight into our tower's refineries to build there. This is perhaps the most exciting thing about this expansion to me, it will alleviate a lot of hauling things around and give us more time to actually mine and build things.

Short of devs removing hi sec from the game; which may happen at some point, I wouldn't leave hi sec. War decs are part of the game. Like a lot of players, if I was constantly war decced, I would take a short break from EVE, play an alt, or if it goes too long, I would change corps. Running to the "safety" of null sec is like out of the frying pan into an inferno. I have other opinions about war dec mechanics but I will keep those to myself.

I already maxed the resource processing tree and built up 9+ faction with several npc corps to ensure I would get 100% refine regardless of the station percentage. With the dev change all of that is meaningless as long as I live in hi sec. Going from 100% to a max of 72% reprocessing/refining will kill my isk/hour. I run 4-8 missions a day and reprocess 99% of the modules. I also get paid to refine ores for other players. So yes I will lose my refining customers and take a huge hit on my module reprocessing all because null sec players need more players to kill.

Risk versus reward has been brought up many times. Lets talk about the risk... What is so risky existing outside hi sec? Is it the environment...no, is it the difficulty of rats...no, has the game itself become more difficult to maneuver in...no, is mining more difficult/modules take longer/less ore is mined...no, Is the station you live out of constantly under the attack of rats...no, do ships move slower/harder to maneuver...no, playing the game around other players in your area of space...yes. The only real risk is other players not the game itself.

Living outside of hi sec is a choice players make. Moving stuff from hi sec to null sec is a choice a player makes, but yet that player wants to be over rewarded for doing that. Setting up a POS is a choice a corp/player makes, but yet the corp/player wants to be over rewarded for choosing to live in "dangerous" space. I could go on but in the end of it the players that choose to exist in the "line of fire" have this ridiculous mindset of needing to be over rewarded and have it better than hi sec players, even though its not the game environment that is the danger.

All of this is behavioral training 101. Over rewarding players for playing how CCP/devs want and punishing players that don't follow their program. Its just like what parents do to their children and pets

I don't think you "get" eve

also ellipses are not word condiments, stop sprinkling them into your sentences

I have one concern that has not been brought up yet. unless i missed it in 94 pages..

1. The new compression array states instant for reprocessing time. Does this mean CCP will be removing the time it takes to compress ore/ice in the Rorqual?

If this is true fine. If this is not true then it's one more reason that the Rorqual once again will not be viable, as players will just use the array for instant compression without the cost of heavy water and the time spent compressing the ore/ice. I read nothing about assembly lines on the compression array or the removal of assembly lines from the Rorqual. At current the Rorqual is supposed to be a fleet tool for mining, but can not keep up with an actual mining fleet do to the limitations of the assembly line. Maybe CCP should address this as a fix for the Rorqual or the fact that the assembly line is so bugged half the time it doesn't even show up.

yes there will be the cost of the pos/pos fuel for the array but most will already have a pos.. so don't state the obvious.

Compression Array

Ores will also have increased amounts of materials in them, so you should not see any real difference in how much you refine in station. Did you miss that part of the change? The old 100% is 72% in the new scale, letting us get more minerals out of the same ore if we max the skills and get the implant and head for more risky environs. (Yes, a tower in highsec is more risky as it puts up a big flag saying 'wardec me' and requires an upkeep of fuel. Why not reward this with a few % better refining?)

So if you made 24m/hour (I think that's the max I've ever pulled in) mining Pyrox or Kernite, you'll still be making around 24m/hour mining Pyrox or Kernite after (+ or - a few percent depending on skills/implants).

If you have really worked up all those faction standings, surely you can put up a tower as well and enjoy being able to both compress and refine too right? If they manage to fix the refining module not taking skills into account, you might be able to do even better with those, without ever leaving empire.

I think the only question still remaining is whether they want to add a compression service to stations or something else like the Orca / Miasmos / Barges directly... I would certainly appreciate these features, and gankers might like it too as it might 'extend' how long people stay in the belts and increase the potential value of their cargo... (and give miners or haulers something else to do while waiting. The miasmos would be new player friendly as well...)

Or they could just rebuild mining from the ground up...........

Have any of those saying what a huge buff Nulsec is getting actually done the numbers?
Look closely enough, Nulsec isn't so much getting a buff as keeping the status quo.
Scrap Metal Reprocessing has been building supers in nulsec for years via 425mm rail and other mods that give perfect reprocessing.
It is being nerfed to allow CCP to eventually remove the 'extra' materials added to some ships during the last balance pass.

New ore compression is to allow 'current' nulsec builders to still get their required minerals to where they are needed.
The extra refine in nulsec stations is not so much as a bonus as a leveler.
Compression ratios comparing 425mm rail & ore (new values) is dropping from 28:1 to 24:1, to make up for the amount able to be fit into a jump freighter (1.5 extra trips for a super), nulsec get a slightly higher refine.

Now this is not to say some enterprising indy group don't try to grab this as an opportunity to build more in nulsec. As long as the miners in nul are happy to sell to them and they have jump freighters to move the ore / minerals to the place they intend building, have access to the "widely" spread (as in spread out) hubs around nul, the coalition they belong to does not lose the station they build from and any number of other obstacles faced by nul indy.

Bottom line - Nulsec isn't getting a licence to print isk with these changes, it will require a lot of work and isk investment by players and station owners to keep the status quo and 500% more investment by players, corps, alliances and coalitions to see increased value in nulsec industry.
Right now an indy group living in sov nul is little more than income for the sov holders in rent. You get the crap kicked out of you by someone and in most cases, your on your own.
It's a shame the big pvp alliances can't see the value of building up resources but the simple fact is - it is cheaper and faster to jump everything you need from Jita. Ergo, status quo maintained.

As a high sec player i love how all the commentary regarding possible future nerfing of our income streams are stated as "we are not nerfing such an such a high sec income stream......"for now!...".

The rorqual should really get a boost, hopefully it gets looked at as part of the expantion.