Missions & Complexes

******* amazing! Best news I've heard in a while.

Can we now get spawns back in relic sites or at least some kind of entertainment except exciting debris and large collidable objects who are fighting dirty against us by stepping in our way to the next can?

Thanks for no splatter. When the ystem was shown pre-release I wasn't lying in th stream of screaming posts about the being diabled thing for ease of not wanting to deal with an "annoyance".

Yes, some people DON'T have the fine motor coordination for that mechanic, I play EVE cause it DOESN'T require the kind of fine motor coordination other games do, and I know I'm not the ony player with these kinds of issues. I stopped explo 100% after it because it was literally impossible for me.

A reason to put explo skills back into the queue.

A face that bad deserves some kitchen sink surgery. But as I posted earlier in the thread, I can't be wholly excited without knowing where all this is going. And that's bothering me.

Since so many people have a (to me completely incomprehensible) serious and un-overcomeable problem with Loot Spew, I propose that there is an option to play the loot spew minigame for better profit, whereas those who are for some reason incapable of playing it, have a reduced profit option.

Such as this:

Suggestion:
Add two buttons to the hack interface that become available after a succesful hack:

-Button 1: Access Node:
---You can directly loot from the nodes cargo hold a smaller percentage of randomly determined cans from the site (from the selection that otherwise would have spewed). You have no control over what cans are randomly selected.

Button 2: Eject Node:
---Cans spew as now, and player can play the spew minigame for a better controlled chance at desired cans from the normal spew mechanic.

In this way the added risk/efforf of playing the spew minigame is retained, and those players who refuse to play it, or are otherwise somehow incapable of playing it, can still do the sites, albeit with reduced effort and hence reduced direct control of the rewards.

This would be consistent with risk/reward systems in EVE overall, and "fair" to both sides of the argument.
To the anti-spew folk, in that since they wont play the spew game, they get potentially reduced reward, as commensurate with their reduced effort and associated risk.
And to the pro-spew folk, since they invest the time, effort and risk of playing the additional stage of the minigame."

Why is it that people that want "engaging gameplay" always go to one of two standbys - either NPC spawns that you have to fight (because every exploration ship is really a COMBAT SHIP, amIrite?), or ganking/attempted ganking/PvP?

How lacking in imagination you all are.

Likewise, trying to click boxes with a mouse was either ridiculously easy (if you were stationary and using a mouse) or damn near impossible (if you were orbiting and using a touch pad) - I've done it both ways.

And even the spew boxes itself isn't something you can "skill" through. You have to scan it first, then you have to load up a website to tell you the name of the different cargo boxes that will correspond to the loot you actually want, otherwise you'll go on a mad clicking spree and end up with tons of worthless Carbon which seems to have no useful application (and, at the very least, doesn't generate any ISK commensurate with the effort you spent scanning it down and getting it - remember, you've already had to train up skills and win a hacking game after also scanning down the site.)

The hacking game was fun, but it would be cooler if there was more going on. I accept that it's a first iteration, though. Something more than randomness. Hell, you could even make it where the PvP was hacking! Why not make it where, when someone uses their module on the site, it opens the minigame and puts up a shield so their ship can't be shot at...but anyone ELSE can also hack the site. Then it becomes a race to the finish to see who can get to the core first and defeat it. Oh, and the hackers can attack each other's viruses.

See, that's actually making PvP out of the exploration minigame instead of, you know, giving all the cards to the PvP ship to come and shoot the explorer while he/she is hacking.

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Honestly, most of these "it's too easy/mindless!" posts scream "I'm a PvPer and want to have an easier time ganking explorers! CCP, if you get rid of loot spew, they can hack, loot, and get away before I can kill them with no effort on my part!!!"

There are ways to make things interesting and challenging - even to encourage varied PvP - without just making it where combat ships have more chances to shoot at explorer ships. Hell, trade moguls have their very own version of PvP which requires not a single bullet to be fired.

Unless all exploration Frigates/Covops Frigates are being converted into combat frigates that just ALSO carry probe launchers and data/relic analyzers, then the idea of making exploration ships sitting ducks for unwanted PvP gank fests is stupid. Make it a fight worth having - either ship to ship or virus to virus - and you might be onto something. Heck, give the Recon Cruisers a piece of the pie with hacking bonuses and weapon bonuses. Might be fun to hop into a Recon and get in on the action.

The loot spew itself is, at best, annoying, and at worst, VERY annoying. It doesn't add compelling gameplay.

The reason for it was to encourage team exploration, but a better way to do that would be to allow team hacking, imo. Let two viruses attack the system at the same time and give increased loot if they take down the core (which can have its strength boosted for each additional virus in play).

There are other things in Eve than (ship to ship) combat, you know. /sigh

Thank you Tzar Sinak. This is exactly what i feel about post odyssey exploration.



i didn't know there's no hacking game in ghost sites.

Thanks for listening and removing the spew.

This is the main problem. By making T2 salvage more common, Odyssey made T2 rigs an actually viable choice. The price of T2 med trims fell from 70mil each to 16mil each. The volume traded absolutely exploded across the entire T2 rig market. The number of T2 med trims that Eve players fit each day now is greater than the number of ALL T2 rigs combined together fit per day pre-Odyssey.

If you revert loot tables now, you kill the entire industry. And you don't just go back to 70mil T2 med trims. You go even higher, probably above 100mil per T2 med trim, due to the introduction of Capital Rigs, their insane raw material cost, and their relative inflexibility of demand.

I would respectfully suggest that we learn more about what the new loot tables become before panicking.

But the panicking masses are hilarious!