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Worlds Within a World - The EVE Universe Monument

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Magica de Plex
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#241 - 2014-02-05 21:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Magica de Plex
Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:
SIrera Artrald wrote:
WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!

Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game.



Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent.

I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this?

Thats were were confused.


Who are those "we" you pretend to represent?

Speak for yourself, tyvm.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#242 - 2014-02-05 21:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: TigerXtrm
Kirren D'marr wrote:

As I said before, I have worn the uniform of my country. Many of those whom I trained with and served with have died wearing that uniform. Claiming that having your (fake) name on a stone alongside that of some 40 year old manchild living in his parents' basement and playing EVE in his underwear (you know there's at least one of them in this game) just because you played a computer game for a few years is somehow an honor equal to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice defending the home they love is an insult to the memory of the fallen.

That is the idea that enrages me, and it is that idea that I am railing against. The fact that some here cannot see how self important and disgusting that idea is shakes my faith in humanity. I knew some aspects of EVE attracted certain personalities, but this is by far the worst attitude I have seen come out of this game: to inflate one's own importance to equate your engaging in a hobby with the actions of those who fight for and die for the rights of others.


Monuments are built for more than just soldiers who died in wars, you know.

Monument

Something erected in memory of a person, event, etc., as a building, pillar, or statue: the Washington Monument.

Any enduring evidence or notable example of something: a monument to human ingenuity.

And people's names get put on such monuments for more reasons than dying during military service.

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Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
#243 - 2014-02-05 22:05:13 UTC
David Przybyciel wrote:
I don,t know what worse the fact us Eve players don't want this or the fact that the DUST Bunny's are crying over it !
link to dust forums


Speaking of: Will there be a small tombstone with all the Dust names on it next to the Eve thing?Smile
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#244 - 2014-02-05 22:06:01 UTC
Glorious, needs to be golden though.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#245 - 2014-02-05 22:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Souxie Alduin wrote:
David Przybyciel wrote:
I don,t know what worse the fact us Eve players don't want this or the fact that the DUST Bunny's are crying over it !
link to dust forums


Speaking of: Will there be a small tombstone with all the Dust names on it next to the Eve thing?Smile


Only if it comes out for PC http://senseslost.com/third-rail-content/uploads/2007/10/computertumbstone.jpg PS3's tombstones dont look so nice.
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#246 - 2014-02-05 22:12:35 UTC
I don't know why everyone is upset about the timer. It was in the COMMUNITY section afterall. Did you think there'd be a huge game announcement in the community section?

I think the monument is a great idea, and I think its a tremendous gesture from CCP to give something back to us, after we've given our all to CCP and making Eve the success it is today.

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Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#247 - 2014-02-05 22:16:51 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Nice monument CCP
if anything goes wrong again in EvE can we shoot that one now ?

haha, this.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#248 - 2014-02-05 22:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Maximus Andendare wrote:
I don't know why everyone is upset about the timer. It was in the COMMUNITY section afterall. Did you think there'd be a huge game announcement in the community section?

I think the monument is a great idea, and I think its a tremendous gesture from CCP to give something back to us, after we've given our all to CCP and making Eve the success it is today.


What gesture?
I'm not paying for monuments in hail of some corporation, I'm paying for IN GAME CONTENT and that's what I want!
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#249 - 2014-02-05 22:24:01 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Maximus Andendare wrote:
I don't know why everyone is upset about the timer. It was in the COMMUNITY section afterall. Did you think there'd be a huge game announcement in the community section?

I think the monument is a great idea, and I think its a tremendous gesture from CCP to give something back to us, after we've given our all to CCP and making Eve the success it is today.


What gesture?
I'm not paying for monuments in hail of some corporation, I'm paying for IN GAME CONTENT and that's what I want!


Actually you are paying for access to the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

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PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#250 - 2014-02-05 22:25:14 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Maximus Andendare wrote:
I don't know why everyone is upset about the timer. It was in the COMMUNITY section afterall. Did you think there'd be a huge game announcement in the community section?

I think the monument is a great idea, and I think its a tremendous gesture from CCP to give something back to us, after we've given our all to CCP and making Eve the success it is today.


What gesture?
I'm not paying for monuments in hail of some corporation, I'm paying for IN GAME CONTENT and that's what I want!


Actually you are paying for access to the game. Nothing more, nothing less.


No wonder world is the way it is. It's just damn sad.
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#251 - 2014-02-05 22:27:53 UTC
Here I was hoping it was going to be high res textures Cry
Jaksa Gryfita
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#252 - 2014-02-05 22:31:17 UTC
To many posts to read, so my question can double.

It will be maybe some posibility to chooce what character from account will be commemorated not only the main from default?
Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2014-02-05 22:46:33 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
What bothers me is the idea put forth by several in this thread that playing a game is somehow an accomplishment deserving of recognition equal to that given to fallen soldiers. If you get your name (or rather, your fictional character's name) inscribed on a piece of stone in Reykjavik, and you think that's cool, good for you. But don't try to put it on the same level as the memorialization of those who have given their lives for their countries.


Again - even if someone believes playing a video game is the same as dying in a real battle (and I very much doubt anyone actually believes it, regardless of any possible poor choice of words/associations) it's their opinion and they have every right to it. I could start getting enraged that instead of you using every second of your waking life to help end world hunger you're playing a video game. But I won't because what you choose to do is your decision and you're the one facing the consequences of your own actions (or lack thereof).
Arwen Ariniel
Shaolin Legacy
Preatoriani
#254 - 2014-02-05 23:00:05 UTC
CCP, you guys are awesome! Let the trolls whine, the negativists complain, ...
We built a world, and inspired millions for over a decade...

Thank you!

Oh, and give Chribba his own seperate placque on the monument.
He deserves it ;)
Flamespar
WarRavens
#255 - 2014-02-05 23:01:10 UTC
How dare you all complain about CCP spending resources on a monument. Shame on you all.

Now please excuse me whilst I go enjoy my modular POS after doing some ring mining with the new direct X 11 effects, I think I may even drop by the 10 year vet station to catch up with mates in a player establishment and play with some custom paint jobs for my ship.

Oh wait...

But at least we got a monument .. right ... right?
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#256 - 2014-02-05 23:09:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirren D'marr
TigerXtrm wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:

As I said before, I have worn the uniform of my country. Many of those whom I trained with and served with have died wearing that uniform. Claiming that having your (fake) name on a stone alongside that of some 40 year old manchild living in his parents' basement and playing EVE in his underwear (you know there's at least one of them in this game) just because you played a computer game for a few years is somehow an honor equal to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice defending the home they love is an insult to the memory of the fallen.

That is the idea that enrages me, and it is that idea that I am railing against. The fact that some here cannot see how self important and disgusting that idea is shakes my faith in humanity. I knew some aspects of EVE attracted certain personalities, but this is by far the worst attitude I have seen come out of this game: to inflate one's own importance to equate your engaging in a hobby with the actions of those who fight for and die for the rights of others.


Monuments are built for more than just soldiers who died in wars, you know.

Monument

Something erected in memory of a person, event, etc., as a building, pillar, or statue: the Washington Monument.

Any enduring evidence or notable example of something: a monument to human ingenuity.

And people's names get put on such monuments for more reasons than dying during military service.


Of course, but that does not make them equal honors. Even among those monuments that are not military related, they are generally erected for one of two reasons: to memorialize those who have died (usually in some tragedy), or to commemorate some great accomplishment or event. How does playing a computer game measure up to either of these conditions? Those who died and are being included did not die because of EVE, they were just players like the rest of us, so the monument's purpose is clearly not memorializing those lost in a tragedy. Also, wasting countless hours playing a computer game is an enjoyable pastime, but certainly not a noteworthy accomplishment deserving of international acclaim. So in what way is this monument like any other with names etched into it? It's not even going to display any real names; they're all fictional characters. How many monuments like that are there in the world, and how many people actually care?

With regards to the military comparison, this is the sort of idea I'm referring to:

Aeril Malkyre wrote:
This is a pretty awesome thing. Kudos to CCP for this real world immortalization. It'd be cool to see my name etched in stone.

To all the "it's not in game and doesn't affect me" rabble: Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier. What else has happened in your life to give you that honor? Especially since you didn't have to die gloriously to get it Smile
(boldface added for emphasis)

I'm sure not everyone who likes this monument thinks that it is just as meaningful as a monument to fallen soldiers, but clearly some do. It is these few whose ideas I find utterly revolting.

My point is that you can build whatever you want, but don't make the mistake of thinking that makes it (or you) important.

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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#257 - 2014-02-05 23:22:06 UTC
My main problem with this is the cost !



Its 5 metres tall, made of stone and steel and occupying real estate in the harbour of a city.

What does this cost ???

3 million US dollars , 5 million or even 10 million ??? Shocked

How many new devs could this have paid for.... How many new ingame features....


I doubt the people resubbing to get their name ingraved could possibly cover the expense of constructing this.

As for publicity, Eve received a huge amount of free publicity in mainstream media from the null sec battle a week ago. That is the way you market the game and get new people excited and subscribing. (that and you know ..advertising... new INGAME FEATURES!)

Conning old bitter vets to resub to get their name on a momument is not the way. Most likely they will promptly quit again when the realise the same eve problems remain.

I think a monument is cool and worthwhile but not something so massive and grand that costs a fortune!

To those who are saying that its nice that CCP recognise their player base this way. Thats like saying Im going to drive around in a ferrai with your name on the number plate but you have to pay for the ferrai ! Its the subscription money that pays for this !


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Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#258 - 2014-02-05 23:29:12 UTC
I, for one, am delighted.

My first reaction was "wut?", but then a smile crept on my face that hasn't left yet.

I mean, just the jokes potential alone! I'm on my way to see friends at the moment, I plan to burst in and announce that I have monumental news!

Seriously, games come and go. One day, Eve won't exist anymore. But this will remain. And that is quite something.

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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#259 - 2014-02-05 23:31:38 UTC
Its an interesting design, I do think the 'square pyramid' does look like it is of Caldari construction. Personally not sure about the 'curved obelisk' but then I have been told I have no taste Big smile. Would love to see the logos for the 4 empires carved into the top of each side the pyramid.

I also just wanted to say thank you for thinking about those friends we have sadly lost over the last 10 years. I seem to remember a Dev passed away a few years ago, I hope they are to be included on the monument too.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#260 - 2014-02-05 23:41:11 UTC
too much to ask to have a monument eve related ?

.. ccp sometimes ...

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB