EVE General Discussion

did i miss something in this 26 pages thread?

We all know that no 0.0 seccers actually make money in 0.0 because "Incursions and lvl4s are more profitable" => all 0.0 seccers make money in high-sec.

This makes ESS totally useless module which cannot hurt anyone.

What is all this fluff about now?

It started with a 5% nullsec rat bounty nerf as a means to try and push the use of the deployable. That annoyed people. Then there was the argument about why you would risk 20% of your income (after you spent 30mill on the deployable) for the chance to claw back that 5%.

Pretty much any reasonable argument has already been made, and a great many unreasonable ones too.

Just because YOU don't get involved in the combat aound the ESS does not mean it isn't fun.

yeah considering 1 person gets the payout for multiple 40 man fleets, the ratio of people having fun vs people not having fun is kinda off there... by a lot.

is it me or is the whole "it's good" crowd basically justifying it being good because null sec people are pointing out it's bad, rather than that it's going to actually introduce any interesting and meaningful gameplay?

cos i mean, almost every post i see saying "i love it" is almost immediately followed by "nullbear tears" or some variation.

I think there's a big distinction from 'there are people from all these organisations that think it's a bad idea, or have been convinced of such' and being able to talk for all those organisations as their spokesperson or indicating that they are 'all in agreement'.

I, for one, like the ESS- especially for all the tears it's generating. I also happen to be part of one of the organisations you listed (for which, internally, opinion on the ESS is divided). Ergo, I can say with certainty that they are not all in agreement. Even without my alliance, there are a number of people who aren't crying over the ESS who belong to other organisations listed as well, so the whole presumption that all those alliances are rising up together in unison in opposition to the ESS is total bullshit and you seem like a presumptive twit for trying to sell that little fiction.

I'm just amazed at how the EVE community can seem like a bunch of petulant children sometimes, petrified of change and out to cast themselves as martyrs upon the scales of balancing.

The ESS is most epic come-uppance CCP has ever thought of- all the bitter vets who assert their right to impose PVP on others, the concept that 'undocking is consent to PVP', the hardcore nature of nullsec, all that hot air, are now bitterly whining that PVP is being imposed on them when they rat and run anoms. The idea that ratting is risky is a joke- for every stupid loss, there's billions of ISK being made effortlessly.

With the ESS CCP are posing the challenge- take a 5% hit, or put some up to gamble in PVP, should anyone come along and try to take it. The general response reveals a great many nullbears' true nature- risk adverse and massively self-entitled, to the point that they'd rather try and throw their political weight around to block such a change rather than adapt.

That hypocrisy makes me hope the ESS makes it in- the hilarious reality is it'll probably end up being a gimmick module that you rarely see and all this fuss is just over a measly 5% reduction in some of the best active income in the game (it's soloable and can earn you over 100m ISK/h if done right with minimal risk, it doesn't get much better than that).

I'm glad it doesn't seem like I'm the only one who feels that way- I guess the ESS is a Marmite feature- you either love it or hate it. Seems to be a conflict driver both in-game and in the meta-game.

A story, such as you saying "I ran this site once and got this loot". While your picture might prove the existence of aliens, it does nothing to scientifically prove an abduction rate in the general world population.

There is no curtailing of income by voluntary restrictions. It's population density. A single high sec system can support hundreds of concurrent mission runners. You "claim" a dozen systems for yourself with 10 accounts, fail to divide the income by 10 and schedule your entire life around opportune times to run the sites. Then claim to be representative of the average player's income capability.

By the letter of what your experiment has "proven", all of Deklein can support a grand total of 7 players with 10 accounts each doing what you do. And making less than 40 mil per hour per account while at it, requiring 23/7 vigilance. Meanwhile, a single level 4 agent can supply not only 70, but north of 700 people with significantly more than 40 mil / hour. In a casual environment with perfect safety.

Sounds like null needs a hefty buff. Especially since you have proven how easily this scarce income source can be stolen away from the residents.

I honestly think the idea is perfect for highsec. Make the bubble a bit bigger and everything inside it is fair game, no concord zone. Null has maybe 2-3 ratters per system at best, in hs you can multiply that by 10 meaning significant money worth fighting for.

Because in high sec you can not shoot people without them being flagged criminal a.k.a blinky red or CONCORD will fry your ass first, something you can do in 0.0/low sec. So unless there is a huge no CONCORD zone around the structure no one could guard or defend it properly unlike in 0.0/low sec.

If you can not grasp that.......

I'm starting to sort out the nuance of this abomination.

I thought what it would mean in high sec. Mission runners, such as myself, would never drop this thing. I'd take the 5% hit and go about my merry way. But if a PVP enthusiast or even another mission runner drops one of these things, then another 15% is lost for everyone in the system. Still not a big deal to me since I don't measure success in ISK/hr, but for someone who does this does have the potential to drive conflict in high sec.

So it's not the null ratters who'll be deploying this thing. It's those same people that grief nullbears now. They'll deploy this thing and, by my estimation, cause the bear to reship for a fight and decrease their ISK/hr.