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Layla Firoue
Doomheim
#341 - 2014-01-16 19:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Layla Firoue
You know people whine alot these days how to catch ceptors, here is one idee park a cloacked disco BS alt ontop of the ESS structure unless CCP makes them stupidly big that should not be a problem ceptor enters system, switch to alt, ceptor warps to ESS decloak activate smartbomb rack watch ceptor explode as it lands.
Bath in the rage and tears of the ceptor pilot....

Instead of finding ways to exploit new mechanics as the old goons would have done the new goons whine about it.

Drone assists and Archons .......Goons whine
ESS ...... Goons whine....
Honestly the goons of today are the whiniest whimpiest bunch of players the game has ever seen.

By the way what are you guys doing with all thoses isks anyways? You don´t need them to replace personally lost ships thanks to reimbursement, so why are the goonies out in force and cry a river that would but the sty to shame?

You don´t even buy capitals with it otherwise you would not whine that the others had more dreads/carriers/supercarriers/titans than your lot. You would have just stomped them whenever possible. So what are you doing with all the isks anyways? RMT?

Escalation of "Bearing"

Carebear > Nullbear > Goonbear
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#342 - 2014-01-16 19:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game.


The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game.

Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing to make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons.

A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things.

This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#343 - 2014-01-16 19:35:51 UTC
Layla Firoue wrote:
You know people whine alot these days how to catch ceptors, here is one idee park a cloacked disco BS alt ontop of the ESS structure


That sounds profitable.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#344 - 2014-01-16 19:36:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game.


The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game.

Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing my make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons.

A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things.

This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction.



PVe for supply.


Also known as "mining with lazors". Cool

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Horeya
Doomheim
#345 - 2014-01-16 19:44:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
And they just don't get that.

CCP is repeating the Systems upgrade nerf mistake again. For those of you not familiar, here goes:

~snip~.


CCP had the right idea with that, they wanted conflict to happen but no one wanted it to happen everyone just isks up for one big fight and rinse repeat, for solo if you can make it null is awesome (see Infinity Ziona) and some other groups, the problem is null is so "infested" with certain alliances that it isn't possible for most members of those alliances/corps because everyone wants a peace of the pie but no one wants to fight for it, and no one wants to anger the others.. because :conflict: anyway

The way of state of null is pretty clear now, thousands of members in coalitions manipulated by their leaders, the high up have a great amount of isk while everyone else doesn't and gets bread crumbs and complains, fights in wars and complains some more, defends space he doesn't care about complains about it and continues to do it, just as a rusty cog in a wheel..

The fact that most people here are stating that they would rather go to high sec to make money AND NO ONE EVEN SUGGESTED faction warfare LP or even WH further proves that null blue donut is on the way, you know why low sec players don't complain? even though they only got faction warfare for them mostly all they care about is the pew I had joined many low sec corps and they make **** for money even some of the best, hell high sec mercenaries ATM are more conflict drivers than null, something is seriously going wrong down there, there are too much ships for brains.

CCP wants guerrilla warfare, I bet they are pretty tired of the blue donut, hell all of null would be blue if the leaders wanted to,
as said above "rogueish" gameplay, see that all the deployables are catered towards OTHER players (solo small gangs) stealing from coalitions.

You don't want null? fine, go back to high sec, maybe null will get rid of the giant mega coalitions and have the right corps fighting for it.

Even though you guys hate Infinity Ziona suggestion about removing timers, I think you should go play planetside 2 and see for yourself, at night when limited people are online (nice small fights, 1vs1, and some small gangs), and in the evening you get massive fights for HOURS flipping systems, AND in several systems instead of the crammed up 4k in one system.

When you start losing control and stop thinking about it is a game that' when you stop having fun.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#346 - 2014-01-16 19:47:19 UTC
Someone else hit it on the head.

The people who are there right now, are there for money.

Now they won't be.

That equals less PvP opportunities.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#347 - 2014-01-16 19:51:37 UTC
Horeya wrote:

Even though you guys hate Infinity Ziona suggestion about removing timers, I think you should go play planetside 2 and see for yourself, at night when limited people are online (nice small fights, 1vs1, and some small gangs), and in the evening you get massive fights for HOURS flipping systems, AND in several systems instead of the crammed up 4k in one system.

When you start losing control and stop thinking about it is a game that' when you stop having fun.


Remove timers are you wind up with the same massive supercapital blobs steamrolling eachother only now everyones assets will wind up trapped in stations they cannot access. Literally no one will live in sov space.

The answer is simple, give us a reason to want to live out in null rather than forcing us into highsec.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#348 - 2014-01-16 19:57:04 UTC
The Goon tears in this thread are truly delicious.

The publord CFC ratting empire in the North is being threatened!

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#349 - 2014-01-16 19:58:07 UTC
"CCP knows what you want better than you do...."

Signature removed - CCP Eterne

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#350 - 2014-01-16 19:59:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game.


The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game.

Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing to make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons.

A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things.

This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction.


Thank you for the explanation. I also appreciate the civil and non-condescending way in which you presented it.





"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#351 - 2014-01-16 20:02:27 UTC
Quote:
Even though you guys hate Infinity Ziona suggestion about removing timers, I think you should go play planetside 2 and see for yourself, at night when limited people are online (nice small fights, 1vs1, and some small gangs), and in the evening you get massive fights for HOURS flipping systems, AND in several systems instead of the crammed up 4k in one system.


Even though I disagree that the two make an appropriate comparison (which makes sense only because IZ is an idiot), I will go ahead and take this apart.

Have you ever played Planetside 2? I have. I played back before it was Vanu or go home, and even then, you would have the largest clans and their hangers-on running around facerolling all the smaller groups. Taking over massive swaths of the warzone, while the smaller groups have no chance.

It's literally what WoW became with Tol Barad. The blob runs over, steamrolls all opposition, and moves on to the next flag, then the anklebiters attack the stragglers, decap it, and the circle continues.

No strategy, no tactics, just zerg rush as many objective points as possible before the other guys have to go to sleep.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#352 - 2014-01-16 20:07:49 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game.


The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game.

Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing to make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons.

A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things.

This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction.


Thank you for the explanation. I also appreciate the civil and non-condescending way in which you presented it.








That can't be, I'm the biggest troll since, well, 5 minutes ago when Tippia posted according to some, so I got a reputation to up hold.

Therefore, my I add a "Yo momma!" to restore balanc ein general discussion? Thank you

Big smile
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#353 - 2014-01-16 20:15:22 UTC
LOL
"Null not worth it anymore"
"But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! "
"Forced into highsec"
Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Smile
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#354 - 2014-01-16 20:15:42 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game.


The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game.

Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing to make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons.

A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things.

This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction.


Thank you for the explanation. I also appreciate the civil and non-condescending way in which you presented it.




That can't be, I'm the biggest troll since, well, 5 minutes ago when Tippia posted according to some, so I got a reputation to up hold.

Therefore, my I add a "Yo momma!" to restore balanc ein general discussion? Thank you

Big smile


I was afraid it would be taken as sarcasm because I have a 3rd degree black belt in sarcasm and this is GD after all. I am glad it wasn't. Big smile

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

www.eve-radio.com  Join Eve Radio channel in game!

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#355 - 2014-01-16 20:19:14 UTC
Layla Firoue wrote:
By the way what are you guys doing with all thoses isks anyways? You don´t need them to replace personally lost ships thanks to reimbursement, so why are the goonies out in force and cry a river that would but the sty to shame?


I had to wonder this too. If your PVP is being subsidized by your corp/alliance SRP, why farm ISK? To PLEX? Stop PLEXing! Stop being a slave to ISK/hr!

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

www.eve-radio.com  Join Eve Radio channel in game!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#356 - 2014-01-16 20:21:37 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
LOL
"Null not worth it anymore"
"But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! "
"Forced into highsec"
Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Smile


Whats hard to get about this?

You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#357 - 2014-01-16 20:25:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
LOL
"Null not worth it anymore"
"But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! "
"Forced into highsec"
Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Smile


Whats hard to get about this?

You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option?


That's a great question Baltec! One that deserves an answer. So as a current resident of null sec why do you stay there given it's the worst option?

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

www.eve-radio.com  Join Eve Radio channel in game!

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#358 - 2014-01-16 20:26:35 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Layla Firoue wrote:
By the way what are you guys doing with all thoses isks anyways? You don´t need them to replace personally lost ships thanks to reimbursement, so why are the goonies out in force and cry a river that would but the sty to shame?


I had to wonder this too. If your PVP is being subsidized by your corp/alliance SRP, why farm ISK? To PLEX? Stop PLEXing! Stop being a slave to ISK/hr!


You need to buy ships for them to be replaced in the 1st place. Those ships need modules. Combat doctrines change so you ned to refit (inclduing rigs). You need isk to do other things (like say you want to join RVB, you don't need a lot of isk but you need some to buy those frigs and cruisers). Say you want to start seeding a null market, that takes isk. Or you want to go into a wormhole and screw around, need isk for that etc.

As for plex, some of us have lots of free time but think the idea of working overtime to play a video gameis stupid. My IRL job requires me to go into a freaking ghetto in a uniform (ie target on my back), screw that, ima stay home , drink beer naked earn isk and plex.

I don't know why people have this idea that null sec players JUST blob each other and do nothing else. We do like to play EVE too.
Silent Rambo
Orion Positronics
#359 - 2014-01-16 20:29:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
LOL
"Null not worth it anymore"
"But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! "
"Forced into highsec"
Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Smile


Whats hard to get about this?

You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option?


Hey everyone, if you say stuff enough times it makes it true! No proof needed whatsoever. CCP has no idea about where the most ISK is dropped since there is no way they could ever run any sort of statistical metrics on their own database! Listen to the Goons! They are the most trustworthy people in New Eden! When have they ever screwed anyone over for personal gain?

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#360 - 2014-01-16 20:32:57 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:


That's a great question Baltec! One that deserves an answer. So as a current resident of null sec why do you stay there given it's the worst option?


I don't. I do all of my isk earning in high sec and just travel back for the fights. I don't live in null.