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agreed

For what it's worth, I like the general idea. I kinda agree with Gizznitt's comments.

This ESS deployable is terrible. why is it terrible? because as has been said in this thread countless times:

The potential benefits are far outshadowed by their potential pitfalls.

By design theyre extremely griefable via interceptors in their ability to warp to and from them at high speed and completely negate the bubble that would trap others. even the timer becomes a moot point when you consider an interceptor can get to warpable distance from any can the structure spits out in the allotted time, be in line for a warp out, warp to the can, grab the tags and warp off.

to make it even more easy for him he will know straight away that theres someone coming for him by the system wide notifications of people warping to the ESS.

killing an ESS would be childsplay by almost any alliance when you consider that 150k ehp is buffer style battleship ehp and can be killed in under 1 minute by bombers, even ones fitted with warp core stabs. making catching them difficult and not exactly ideal for the expenditure of effort.

to all the smug posters gleefully expecting to race into a ratting system plant it down, wait a bit and grab free isk in the form of tags i have a serious bit of bad news for you... any self respecting null sec ratter safes up in system whenever a hostile or neutral comes into it. there will be no isk generation by an ESS if there is no ratting being done.
And you can be sure that if the ESS in a system hasnt been placed there by the alliance that owns the space, it'll be killed shortly but always before more ratting is done.

Couple that together with the fact no self respecting null sec alliance will permit its members to deploy them in their space.

the other aspect of it is that like other deployables, its the ratters that will be guaranteed a killmail. Any possible addition of a reinforcement timer will have to imply the units isk syphoning will be negligible if not entirely shut down too.

It just shows how CCP Developers dont play their own game in anywhere near the level of their own players. Its also not like its not possible for CCP Devs to do so. Many core null sec players have families and full time jobs yet can keep up with the riggers of a changing null sec theatre of war.

this is obvious in the fact that a single bubble and notifications will alert people to an impending confrontation that the bubble will force. it took me no time at all to realise 1 ceptor warping to 100 from it can negate the bubble and manoeuver to the point where he can cloak on grid and have a fleet warp to him @ range and not set off any alarms. and if ive thought of that u know a high majority of null sec "carebears" have too.

it seems all of a sudden you guys have lost any sense of level headedness from the development process. Coupled with Ali Aras's post on the 1st page makes me wonder if you even gave the CSM members a glance at this before 'OK'ing' this to go ahead.

As for the other deployables in this devblog :careface: theyre syphons. big whoop. just add them to the pile of terrible deployables that have an initial spike of usage before being largely abandoned never to be bothered with.

You guys seriously need to go and splash some water on your faces, take a good look at the quality of your game mechanics brainstorming and do some f**king research on how your customers use your own product. It is after all what we pay you to do!

Plenty of constructive criticism has been offered and responded to with SoniClover making a point of ignoring all but the most superficial issues. For constructive criticism refer to the first 20-30 pages of this thread.

This is NOT a ratter item. If you are deep in sov then it's a ratters item. No strangers in your nullbear system for days....oh forgot afk cloakies. Ok so my friends and I enter a system and see people ratting without an ESS. We can place an ESS and impact them $. If they want to pew they come pew. If they want to hide they hide. If they want to ignore it then we sit there and wait for it to grow. It is a tool of economic warfare. Pretty sure that's why eveyones panties in a bunch.. On EvE? Never I say!

Neat, found a cool edge case. I found a way to make one of these things completely disappear from overview as it gets moved and the system stays at 80% bounties.

1. Drop ESS.
2. Launch and anchor tower.
3. ESS disappears from overview without a warning, (Note, it's been moved 500km off the tower, but doesn't update the overview.)
4. ESS stays invisible on overview until session change.

20% lost during this time, but great way to hide an active ESS for active ratters without much chance of them noticing it. Once again, only shows up on overview on session change.

Kill it. Kill it now.

As a WH player, thank you CCP for giving us a deployable just for us that we can pop out of our WH, deploy an ESS before the next bounty tick, nick the 5 mil or so and scoop it back up, just to troll with ratters. Our own tiny trollmobile.

Really though, whut?

Remove that 5% base nerf stat, halve the 20% drop to 10%, and increase the base bonus to 110% and you might see this used somewhere that's not firewalled behind 300 blue systems. As it is, having always ratted in fairly unsafe regions, OP, fountain, Wicked Creek, Tribute, Querious, I NEVER would have deployed one of these, with the firm and realistic expectation that a roaming gang would be coming through frequently enough to render it useless.

Of all the nullsec isk geysers, people actually manually ratting is not one that needs nerfs. Hitting the younger, less spacerich players with nerfs is not a good idea. They are not the ones importing ships and mods for sale with JF's, or with incursion or WH alts, or FW alts, or moongoo. Actual nullsec ratting is the subsidence farming of the nulsec world, and those potatoes need no additional taxation.


TLDR: wtf is this ****?

You mean you're going to impact enemy alliance income by staying in system, right?

Because that happens now. It's called camping.

If you mean you're going to leave system, then the locals are forced into a structure grind before they go back to ratting.

I don't know why I bother, I've already said this exact same thing multiple times in the thread. People just don't listen *cough* CCP

Ah, so your going to drop them in the high sec incursions and Sisters or Thukker (or Republic Fleet, RF 100mn ABs are selling well right now) that people will do rather than screw around in null with people like you?

I call hacker if you find a way to do this.