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Dev blog: More Deployables from Super Friends

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Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#741 - 2014-01-15 18:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinn Corvez
Okay, okay, let's all calm down...

The EES isn't really a great new feature but if you don't want to use it, you don't have to. You only lose 5% of bounties.

That said, I wonder if we could have had modular POSs by now if CCP weren't working on deployables? ...hmmm
Hi O
l'.
#742 - 2014-01-15 18:24:28 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
just a nerf with a fix coming SOON (tm) and we all know how that story ends.


this
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#743 - 2014-01-15 18:24:32 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
we all know how that story ends.


But there was that one time they fixed...and another time they...wait...no. No. CCP pretty much never fixes broken nullsec shit they leave behind.


That's not true, they have fixed numerous broken aspects of nullsec. It's just takes at least two years.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#744 - 2014-01-15 18:24:38 UTC
Also I'm sure this got lost in the ESS discussion but: where do the blueprints for the new siphons come from? Are they bpos sold in empire, or bpcs dropped from somewhere?

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Andrea Keuvo
Rusty Pricks
#745 - 2014-01-15 18:25:34 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Kadl wrote:


Will you consider allowing player manufacturing of the ESS (from blueprints or blueprint copies)?


It´s not going to happen in 1.1, but might in the future. Possibly also if we do meta-versions later that change security level restrictions and/or payout values.



I want to link a picture of an ostrich with its head buried in the ground but I'm not sure if that is against forum rules
IrJosy
Club 1621
#746 - 2014-01-15 18:26:47 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Kadl wrote:


Will you consider allowing player manufacturing of the ESS (from blueprints or blueprint copies)?


It´s not going to happen in 1.1, but might in the future. Possibly also if we do meta-versions later that change security level restrictions and/or payout values.


Will you consider making null sec ratting worth my time instead of me being in low sec making 10x the isk in a bomber running fw missions?
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#747 - 2014-01-15 18:26:50 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
we all know how that story ends.


But there was that one time they fixed...and another time they...wait...no. No. CCP pretty much never fixes broken nullsec shit they leave behind.


That's not true, they have fixed numerous broken aspects of nullsec. It's just takes at least two years.


They're faster than that. They fix things 18 months™ after they're broken.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#748 - 2014-01-15 18:27:09 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Also I'm sure this got lost in the ESS discussion but: where do the blueprints for the new siphons come from? Are they bpos sold in empire, or bpcs dropped from somewhere?

I don't think there are blueprints, I believe I read it's buy direct from the Empires themselves with no player production involved.
Which is another thing we (players and CCP) have been working to get rid of for a long time so shouldn't be happening again.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
CCP SoniClover
C C P
C C P Alliance
#749 - 2014-01-15 18:27:58 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Also I'm sure this got lost in the ESS discussion but: where do the blueprints for the new siphons come from? Are they bpos sold in empire, or bpcs dropped from somewhere?


They're seeded on market same as the first version.
Billybob Sheepshooter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#750 - 2014-01-15 18:28:03 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Kadl wrote:


Will you consider allowing player manufacturing of the ESS (from blueprints or blueprint copies)?


It´s not going to happen in 1.1, but might in the future. Possibly also if we do meta-versions later that change security level restrictions and/or payout values.


So you want to introduce a new feature that is clearly broken, and then possibly maybe fix it in the future?
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#751 - 2014-01-15 18:29:01 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Also I'm sure this got lost in the ESS discussion but: where do the blueprints for the new siphons come from? Are they bpos sold in empire, or bpcs dropped from somewhere?


The ESS devices are bought straight from navies of the four Empires. It is unclear if it through the LP store, or if it will be an NPC sell order at their stations. (probably the latter)
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#752 - 2014-01-15 18:29:02 UTC
Turelus wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Also I'm sure this got lost in the ESS discussion but: where do the blueprints for the new siphons come from? Are they bpos sold in empire, or bpcs dropped from somewhere?

I don't think there are blueprints, I believe I read it's buy direct from the Empires themselves with no player production involved.
Which is another thing we (players and CCP) have been working to get rid of for a long time so shouldn't be happening again.

Those are ESS, not the hybrid and rote siphons.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Zerb Arus
WormSpaceWormS
#753 - 2014-01-15 18:29:22 UTC
Andrea Keuvo wrote:
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
Right, so CCP seems to be determined to use this piece of scrap. So here's a new idea, fresh from my mind meats (and totally crossposted from a post I made elsewhere).

CCP has it the wrong way around. This is a perfect highsec thing. Here's what it'll do (if done properly) for highsec:

1) It'll give missioners/ratters/etc a little bonus for working from one system
2) It'll give ebil pirates a goal for highsec
3) It'll give carebears a delicious honeypot to guard all day long.



Actually, hisec is the one place where the mechanics of this would properly work as a conflict driver. Not surprisingly, CCP also failed to realize this and are instead forcing another income nerf upon rank and file nullsec players.


It sure would be a conflict driver there. And hilarious. .... And cause lots of rage and probably even unsubs :(

Andrea Keuvo wrote:
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
Right, so CCP seems to be determined to use this piece of scrap. So here's a
[quote=Zerb Arus]

to your 2nd point: Link the "Take All" button to a hacking game that is difficult enough to be unfeasible in an interceptor.
 ➩ People have been longing to use hacking devices on non-NPC structures for ages.
 ➩ It has been suggested many times in this thread
 ➩ It just feels logical

Yes, the hacking mini-game and lootspew (would be tagspew now I guess) have gotten so much positive feedback lets add these mechanics to more parts of the game Roll

I explicitly said "Hacking game" not "loot spew". I find neither enjoyable, but the first one has at least the potential to get improved someday.
But yes, in its current state I wouldn't even call the hacking thingie a minigame As someone once said: "If you wouldn't play it on your smartphone even as free app, It's probably a bad game"
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#754 - 2014-01-15 18:30:22 UTC
Billybob Sheepshooter wrote:
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Kadl wrote:


Will you consider allowing player manufacturing of the ESS (from blueprints or blueprint copies)?


It´s not going to happen in 1.1, but might in the future. Possibly also if we do meta-versions later that change security level restrictions and/or payout values.


So you want to introduce a new feature that is clearly broken, and then possibly maybe fix it in the future?



I'm trying to remember which feature it was where they said they'd literally fix it after it went live even though they knew it was broken. It's hard to discern which is which because the only difference is whether CCP acknowledged a screw-up beforehand.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#755 - 2014-01-15 18:31:42 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Turelus wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Also I'm sure this got lost in the ESS discussion but: where do the blueprints for the new siphons come from? Are they bpos sold in empire, or bpcs dropped from somewhere?

I don't think there are blueprints, I believe I read it's buy direct from the Empires themselves with no player production involved.
Which is another thing we (players and CCP) have been working to get rid of for a long time so shouldn't be happening again.

Those are ESS, not the hybrid and rote siphons.

Oh... misread you on that one. Sorry, yeah guess I am caught up in ESS fever, I hear it's going around right now. P

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#756 - 2014-01-15 18:33:48 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:

I'm trying to remember which feature it was where they said they'd literally fix it after it went live even though they knew it was broken. It's hard to discern which is which because the only difference is whether CCP acknowledged a screw-up beforehand.

They admitted being unable to switch ammo in rapid launchers was terrible before they were released and that they'd look into a workaround. Maybe. Some day.
Vicar2008
MCMLXXVI
#757 - 2014-01-15 18:36:37 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Kadl wrote:


Will you consider allowing player manufacturing of the ESS (from blueprints or blueprint copies)?


It´s not going to happen in 1.1, but might in the future. Possibly also if we do meta-versions later that change security level restrictions and/or payout values.


The bolded and underlined part bit of that sentence is the part most of us wanted to hear without the rest of that.
Squilo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#758 - 2014-01-15 18:44:42 UTC
You bored? you do not have what to introduce? F****g Syphon first, and now the ESS?
you learn how to rob, steal and cheat!
It may finally do something with HIC?
HIC should be saint! Bubble of HIC should stop everything! Now they are useless because they are too expensive, heavy and require too much skils!
But why do something meaningful ... For fun, Destroy stations in Jita ... will be fun ..
omfg
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#759 - 2014-01-15 18:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kismeteer
I am still curious what the CSM had to say about this particular feature, since it's not in the minutes.

e: Please, have a discussion with players about *new* things you are working on. Features and Ideas is a great forum if you want to discuss with players. the CSM is a great place to do secret changes. But this doesn't need to be secret, I don't understand why this wasn't discussed.

e2: BTW, the option to 'access' and 'loot' are available even when you've warped off the device. And if you accidentally click them, you warp to them, inside the bubble. That is REALLY annoying.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#760 - 2014-01-15 18:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Alphea Abbra
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Kadl wrote:


Will you consider allowing player manufacturing of the ESS (from blueprints or blueprint copies)?


It´s not going to happen in 1.1, but might in the future. Possibly also if we do meta-versions later that change security level restrictions and/or payout values.
Ok, going from here on:
Would you rather that we, the players, assume your intent is malign, or that you are incompetent?
I have no idea how you still think any of this is good, but I will not attribute it to evil intent if you'd rather have it attributed to imcompetence, and the reverse of course.

I'm not sure if I am biting the troll here, but seriously, your posts seem to be typed while your head is a foot up your own arse.

Edit:
This is said in the nicest way possible. I had a few choice words that I didn't type.