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I think I didn't clarify myself too well. I wasn't suggesting they release a 5% nerf to nullsec income unannounced (oh the drama), but that they separate the ESS from the income nerf as simply the ESS as an "income boosting" device.

Will you consider allowing player manufacturing of the ESS (from blueprints or blueprint copies)?

So much this, it's crazy because this cycle ends up costing CCP in a real way (in terms of man-hours spent on things). Some of us told them this with the Anom nerf, the incursion nerf (ie "don't go too far of you'll just have to come back and do it all over again"), the NPC AI upgrade and other things.

I'm all for balancing and new things, but there should be some "fail safe" type guy at CCP that looks at things and says ""ok, this might look goodish on paper but lets get feedback from the players about if this would work or not".

As much as I admire our CSM friends, I think there has also been some ball dropping from them this time around.

Missing point:
- The low gain is not worth the risk & hassle with that structure in my opinion. And that even without factoring in Interceptors.

to your 2nd point: Link the "Take All" button to a hacking game that is difficult enough to be unfeasible in an interceptor.
 ➩ People have been longing to use hacking devices on non-NPC structures for ages.
 ➩ It has been suggested many times in this thread
 ➩ It just feels logical

Actually, hisec is the one place where the mechanics of this would properly work as a conflict driver. Not surprisingly, CCP also failed to realize this and are instead forcing another income nerf upon rank and file nullsec players.




Yes, the hacking mini-game and lootspew (would be tagspew now I guess) have gotten so much positive feedback lets add these mechanics to more parts of the game

I really want to say something... but I am biting my toungue.

Read my lips, there is absolutly no reason anyone ratting in a system would use it. It makes no sense for a 5% isk reward. Even if you use it properly as you say at some stage someone is going to want to cash out and bingo the rest of the fleet is back to 80%,
If I was leading a fleet roam I would on principle destroy any I found this would drop income in system by 80% if a new one is put in place. Great scorch earth policy in enemy space. The end result would see it being used as a griefing tool. If this is what you intended then great. But to claim this has benefits for the ratter?????

None of those three address the issues of.

* Creating a 5% reduction in bounties received just to make this module something people should use.
- The module should be chosen on it's own merits, not because CCP just added a problem for it to solve.
- Not receiving 5% of the bounties makes one more confusing thing to explain to newbies who move from Empire to NullSec.
- The lore behind the 5% is unrealistic, if CONCORD don't want to pay us as much they would just lower bounties offered, not refuse to pay 5%.

* The risk isn't worth the reward.
- Why would a ratter/sov holder want to reduce individual income by 20% for a potential 5% gain over the current (Rubicon 1.0) income, at the risk of losing all that 20% at any time.
- In the current state this is more of a griefing tool than a Sov Upgrade.

* Makes earning ISK in NullSec worse.
- Normal grunts earn their ISK from anomalies and don't want to gamble with that income.
- Currently Empire Incursions/SOE Missions are better risk vs reward than NullSec already, this will just push more people to those.
- It doesn't help what the community and CCP have agreed should be worked on which is a money up way of running alliances.

The key point you should pick up on and work to fix however is this: Everyone living in NullSec would rather eat the 5% loss than ever use one of these modules. That's a pretty big flaw in the module which fixing timers, bubbles and interceptors wont address.

I believe that Soniclover deliberately left off any changes to the reward structure. CCP likely views this deployable as a test and thus wants to limit the possible rewards until they see the effects. So like it or not the reward structure is going to be poor to begin with.

I like the idea of adding in a hacking game. CCP might be worried about feature creep at this point in the development, but I think it would be a strong game play addition.

Is there any chance that this entire feature can be pushed back to a later expansion so it can have a lot more feedback and development time?
It seems pretty obvious that as it is right now the feature isn't wanted or going to be used a great deal.

I CAN SEE YOU ARE READING THIS THREAD

WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING WITH SUCH A TERRIBLE IDEA AT ALL?

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