Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The ship has bonuses to exploration, yet it will fail miserably at said role.

Let us look at what exploration ships actually do:
1) Move from system A to system B.
2) Scan System B.
3) If System B has any relevant sites of interest, run those sites.
4) Repeat.

Why would I use a nestor for exploration, when I can use a stratios or T3? Tank? Surely not, both the stratios and the T3's can trivially fit a sufficient tank to run just about any ghost site. Meanwhile, the covops cloak and/or nullifier on the aforementioned ships makes them quite good at moving around dangerous space, which is something any dedicated explorer does quite often.

The nestor has no means of reliably navigating dangerous space by itself. This removes it from the list of viable exploration ships. Oh sure, you could say "get some friends" or "bring a scout alt," but why go through all that trouble just to fly the nestor? And if I am to use 2 accounts for exploration, there are far better alternatives that already exist than Nestor + 'X'.

I suppose you could make a case for running WH professional sites in a Nestor, but honestly I think that you would do better with other existing ships. Also, no range bonus makes the RR very mediocre.

Honestly, the ship is very meh for its intended role.

Damn, missed that one :)

I agree with those advocating dropping the probing bonuses in favor of a range bonus for remote (armor) repairs. Armor in parenthesis, since I could easily see an aid-focused ship getting bonuses to both shield and armor.

As for the probing bonuses, I imagine anyone trying to fly this ship would likely have a dedicated probe ship, and solid skills to use it. A battleship would be too unwieldy for exploration, but would be good in rendering assistance in combat.

Interesting. Not sure if it's interesting in a good way though.

A half mass BS seems to be a real bad idea to start with. I assume that is to help it move about data/relic sites. But just seems like it is a bit prone to abuse for PvP.

Data/Relic bonus is just kinda weird. I suppose it'd be useful in a WH. But you sure as hell aren't gonna be using this ship in null or low - it'd just be a comedy killmail waiting to happen. And for hi-sec it'd just be a waste since a CovOps is much more nimble and faster.

The Probe bonus seems a bit much. It scans as well as a CovOps - which is a dedicated prober that sacrifices any form of tank or combat ability. So the bonus should probably be knocked down to the standard 37.5%. Granted, without that bonus why would anybody even bother scanning with a BS? Especially without a CovOps cloak.

The RR bonus seems okay. Adding in a RR range bonus on top of that would be a real bad idea. Should be either/or. With amount bonus only it keeps the ships clustered which makes them a viable target for bombing runs. With just a range bonus it gives them much more flexibility, but could lead to potential abuse in large groups.

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Maybe ditch the whole exploration aspect of the ship and focus more on the medic theme? Make it a sort of medic BLOps with a jump drive, RR bonuses, ship refitting, and able to fit command links? Like a mobile triage base or something?

Honestly, I'd go back to the drawing board with the role bonuses. They just don't make any sense in the given context.

Might be worth looking into expanding its logi role, maybe a logi blops with no cloaking bonuses or something.

Having read the chronicles, I don't know if "benevolent institution" really applies...




No rep bonus but a range bonus seems decent. At first glance it looks like it and a bunch of its buddies (already a dangerous assumption given its price) dump out sentries and cluster together to spider-tank. Then along comes the analyzing and hacking...which you have to putter around to do.

It still takes three times the mass of an average cruiser and it's pricey. I'm not inclined to run over to SoE screaming "shut up and take my isk" yet.

I too believe this ship would be better off with an RR-range bonus. That would keep the repamount for extreme fits in ceck - adressing the complete repurpose of that ship to be a logibattleship.

The 12k off gate spawn already limits the max distance on decloak between two ships to around 25km on a common gate (none of those regiongates), so about that would be a good value in my opinion. Fitting 7 reps into your highs would now clearly make it a superoneiros with bonused dronebay, for an infernal price :>

Not choosing the repamount would also put it into the same spot as the RR-paladin, with 7 T2 RRs worth of repairs, and seperate them:

paladin > *insane local tank, unjammable, like a triage* and
nestor > *resilent oneiros with okay'ish range, wonderful drones, stackable (important for k-space)*

This is... far more ordinary than I think we were hoping for. Some random suggestions.

- Bonus all reps, but don't overrun the logistics ships.
- Drop the weapon bonus and increase the rep range. Let the user choose their guns, but rely on drones.
- It is extremely dangerous to scan in a WH without a cloak. Could use an improved, but the cov ops is more fun. Removing the gun bonus above also reduces the 'suddenly lazorz' up front bashing people would be doing with a cloaked BS.
- We're missing some unique opportunities. If this is the Sister's main medic ship for dangerous space, give it something else. Site hacking is not really in the purview. It should be sending scouts out to do that. Realistically it should be a 2-3 frigate's worth of m3 carrier. This momma should decloak (or not, I have no idea how that works) and send out a trio of Asteros to go do the scout work. Something like a 60,000 m3 ship hanger. A tiny (relatively) WH carrier.

I'd like to see something we haven't had before, instead of a rehash of predictable concepts. This is a new line of ships. Run with it.

What is this ship suppose to be?

1) Exploration ship (hacking bonuses, probe launcher bonuses)?

The problem. No cloak. All exploration ships have a way to hide themselves, as they generally won't be set combat capable in there pure exploration role.

2) Combat ship (laser range, tank bonuses)?

The problem. None offhand minus the whole laser/capacitor drain suck from fitting 5 turrets. Potential 2 wasted highs. A lot of wasted bonuses, no gun damage bonus (damage of large lasers would be low, though sentry drone damage makes up for it). Cost vs a comparable hull (Dominix). Potential issue with gangs of these ships using there 2 spare highs for spider repairing each other (along with the rep bonus, out-repairs all other spider tanked battleships). In addition, with the armor resist bonus, now out-tanks them too.


3) A support vessel (remote repair bonuses, tank bonus)?

The problem. Has the same repair range of other battleships. Making it repair more per shot is not worth the cost vs other battleship hulls. Range of repairers too short, must be in the main ball of other support/battleships to be effective, generally will be called primary outright. Literally, the issue is range, a 16km rep range would be admirable for this battleship (can catch wanderers and stragglers). Potential issue with the above if this is implemented.


The exploration is lost because it has no covops cloak. Now I'm not saying that it needs a covops cloak, but the exploration role of it vanishes without the cloaking ability. Honestly I'm fine without having it, but be careful when dressing up a ship to be an exploration vessel when it can't realistically be.

The combat's odd because its essentially a replacement for the Dominix, but would probably not be worth the price. Guns on this ship potentially pointless with no damage bonus to them (sentrys op due to use of drone assist, but would require a SIGNIFICANT amount of these, and fielding a hundred billiion isk sentry sister battleship gang (100 of these) probably is not the smartest move).

Its identity is mired. The sister's made these exploration vessels, but you've given them a mixed bag of tricks, trying to shoehorn them into one of the current Dominix setups. Then tacked on this exploration with no cloak, potential wormhole diving billion isk battleship....

The Astero and the Stratios are cool ships, but there just toys at the moment. That said, they are capable of actually doing the job of exploration while the Nestor is not.

I understand that this is not suppose to be some solo pwnmobile, but you gave it the potential to be a good fleet ship (if people want to actually risk these costly ships, while not sticking with the initial image of the Sisters of Eve, that of being explorers.

That is just my opinion.

This ship should be the heavy hitter of the SOE ships.

Ditch the RR bonus, its something the Dominix has always wanted (750% RR range for the Dominix).

The hacking bonus is a waste as well, sure it can survive the can explosion and rats of ghost sites and it should because there is little chance it will successfully hack more than one can.

The probing bonus 37.5% will find anything a BS needs to be able to find.

Drop the turrets down to 4.
50% Large Energy Turret Damage.
50% Large Energy Turret and Sentry Drone Optimal Range
37.5% Scanner Probe Strength

That will put the ship at 715.5 DPS before damage mods and implants, using 4 Mega Pulse Laser IIs (Scorch L) and 5 Garde IIs