EVE General Discussion

Thank you for your correction of my obvious mistake.

I wonder if we will get to have a player elected body to oversee these types of crisis and to check up on the CCP Devs, Internal affairs and the current CSM?

Thanks for the info. What a shame though; I was really hoping they would do the right thing by their players but I guess that was too much to hope for.

I am sure I will see you else where, have fun in non-RMT games.

Interesting they closed the thread on the lottery angle but I suppose if they closed it for RMT too many people would be laughing our asses off at them

The other question is of course was the transfer successful? or did they dig them selves a bigger pit, deleting the character while Somer still RMTs?

They should have just said he failed to write the post with orange text, it would make about as much sense.

We don't need to put words in your mouth. Your actions speak louder.

is eve vegas still going? i assume not.

so, any chance of an update since we've been waiting quite a while for one?
even better; how about that survey?

I call it Damage Control

lol or as one of the responders posted... DCII

Surely it would be better for folk to await the outcome of the Somer Blink et al - 'freebies to friends of CCP' debacle, then make a decision to quit or stay?

It seems to me that CCP have accidentally stumbled into this mess, rather than gone into it with malice aforethought, and are now considering their options, which will be based in part on the feedback from the proposed survey.

One always has to bear in mind that Eve Online is a game to us, but in reality Eve Online is a business model to generate money for CCP.

My gut feeling is that CCP will weigh up the cost of the money gained from their association with the likes of Somer Blink against the potential financial cost of lost accounts and act accordingly.

I sincerely hope I am wrong and that CCP stop favouring in-game corps with valuable in-game assets, simply because it is wrong.

CCP is waiting it out - if we wait it out too - that will be the last we hear of it.

Something more sinister than RMT is occuring here

Now I have from time to time played Somer Blink. I have gotten my isk from in game and sent them to Somers Corp and received my Somer Credit in return. I have gambled my isk and won it back and been happy.

My fake in game isk went in and I got fake in game isk out. Now I thought nothing more of this until the whole Gold Magnate, Ishukone Watch Scorpions and finally RMT came up.

Now why is it fake isk



So the in-game isk are the property of CCP.

Now I will admit I did not think anything of this, until in one of the many posts on Somers RMT, someone proudly stated that they had over time purchased over 1000 GTC and received the extra isk and converted the Plex into isk for gambling, they even showed their winnings.

Now how is this wrong, I hear you ask?
Well people are gambling real money, in this case over $35,000 USD to gamble on Somer Blinks site. They Buy the GTC and convert them to Blink Credit as well as get the bonus credit as well, they gamble winning some and losing some and then convert it back to in game isk, at which point it becomes the property of CCP. I am sure like all gambling there are many more stories like this out there.

So people are gambling real money with no ability to receive real money back, they are throwing tens of thousands of dollars into gambling with all of the thrills and enticements of gambling but they have no ability to win anything back.

That is a scam pure and simple. It picks on those people who do not have the ability to control their gambling while at the same time allowing children to gamble on their site.

Now is CCP responsible as Somer Blink is its own separate entity? Well yes as CCP is an integral part of the chain as they provide the means to convert real money into Somer Credits. The fact that they do not run the gambling site its self matters little, they are the banker as it where. To the point you even have to have a valid EvE account to sign up for Somer Blink as it has to be done within the game.

Now CCP has turned a blind eye to Somer blink with the EULA, even if they were not in breach of the EULA in relation to ETC/GTC RMT sales, they are most definitely in breach of


So CCP have very much broken their own rules in this and become a partner in Gambling.

Now given that CCPs servers are located in the UK, they are required to be licensed by the Gambling Commission they are not.

This of course leads to the question, at what point does EvE stop being a game and start to be a gambling site and should be forced to follow all of the rules and laws governing such sites. Well frankly when people are spending tens of thousands of dollars to gamble.

This is not one of my normal pick on CCP threads, this is a real issue effecting real people, RMT is pale in comparison to the damage uncontrolled gambling can do.

Edit: I would also like to add this from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling