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Announcement regarding rewards and prizes to fansites and third-party contributors

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Kate stark
#21 - 2013-10-10 18:59:02 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
I can probably shed a bit of light on that although Navigator touched on that in his announcement following what was going to be the Gold Magnate event.

Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do.

In the statement we go into who else have gotten the ISWs and also what sort of giveways we usually extend to fansites.

As we said, we agree with you that we went too fast and that's why we need to re-think this whole thing. We need to keep the CSM more involved, their input is invaluable.


if they're good at what they do, why do they need to be given extra things to profit from?

It's not like you need blink in order to get gifts out to your average joe player. you've shown you can do that in many ways. for example the player count record thing when everyone emailed you a guess at the number. things dropped from wrecks in dev roams, etc.

also, this is really something some one else said and i'm just repeating, if you're giving things to blink and giving them cool ships to give away, why would any one play with one of blinks competitors when they've essentially been priced out of the market because you're handing blink prizes they can't compete with? (although i'm not sure that's a very compelling point, but i guess it's worth asking all the same)

due to the fact that it has been 2 acts of benevolence towards blink, and none to anyone doing similar things to blink it's very easy to interpret it as "favouritism" even if it isn't and it's just CCP exploring new avenues.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#22 - 2013-10-10 19:01:08 UTC
First!

-Edit-

I believe it's sad when CCP has to think before they reward.

There was over 100 ISW "spawned" before this whole fiasco started. Why wasn't this an issue then and why now? Not only that, but plans to release more?

As the players of this universe, we set the prices of everything contained within. Its annoying watching some peoples reactions on this matter.... "T20 2.0" or "CCP gave Trillions to SOMER."

It's NOT T20 2.0 because the ships are not game breaking. It's not trillions of ISK either, do the bloody math! The cheapest ISW I seen was 10 Bil, 10 x 30 = 300 Bil, not even halfway to Trillion!

The people who've invested a lot of ISK from buying them is obviously going to be at a greater loss, thus more upset. It's the same as any investment IRL, it has a chance to loose its value.

People should stop complaining about not receiving free shinys, Get off your lazy asses and earn it!

(This was a first post, until it was removed as I was writing my reply, not cool.)

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#23 - 2013-10-10 19:01:54 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Ideally sponsorship will come in the form of items that are not insanely valuable (magnates etc) and do not impact the sandbox in any meaningful way. ISK is highly meaningful.

there is no difference between a painted magante and a painted scorpion. Both are useless but rare. The fact that the scorpion sells higher is because there are more people which want this particular useless but rare item.

CCP does not give out ISK. The item you get only allows you to transfer isk from people who collect useless but rare items to people who don't.

thats all.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-10-10 19:05:19 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:

Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do.




These guys are good at making ISK so we will give them an unrestricted working permit for a brand new gold mine only them will have access to. It's not like it gives an in-game advantage like a T2 BPO would tho since they have a website to handle the tapping instead of stations in game for production.
Kate stark
#25 - 2013-10-10 19:05:21 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
There was over 100 ISW "spawned" before this whole fiasco started. Why wasn't this an issue then and why now? Not only that, but plans to release more?

because the ISW was the prize for the poker tournament, hence it was announced.

and the poker tournament was open to any one (i assume) and as such it was available to "everyone" and not just some one that CCP decided deserved it based on an unknown set of criteria.
also, generally, the people in the poker tournament put some extra effort in (you know, turning up to the poker tournament, and winning it) vs somer doing nothing that isn't day-to-day business for them.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Josef Djugashvilis
#26 - 2013-10-10 19:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
l0rd carlos wrote:
As a fan site owner I got goodies worth of about ~1B and felt honored.
I sold the items and gave my corp mates some free ships, which leads to more PvP ingame.

It does not matter if it's a Video, a blogpost or a whole Tournament. Some people put so many hours into fan projects and they deserved at least something. It does not matter if it's ISK or just a thank you.

Bloggers already get their media account, how about something for those awesome video makers from /my eve/?


Useless Barbie stuff and or a public - thank you - would be fine.

I am just not sure that CCP being so closely linked to a gambling site (in a game 13 year old kids can play) is the smartest move they have ever made.

This is not a signature.

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-10-10 19:07:34 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

As the players of this universe, we set the prices of everything contained within. Its annoying watching some peoples reactions on this matter.... "T20 2.0" or "CCP gave Trillions to SOMER."


The close to a trillion accusation comes from the previous gift package, not the ISW.
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2013-10-10 19:08:07 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
As a fan site owner I got goodies worth of about ~1B and felt honored.
I sold the items and gave my corp mates some free ships, which leads to more PvP ingame.

It does not matter if it's a Video, a blogpost or a whole Tournament. Some people put so many hours into fan projects and they deserved at least something. It does not matter if it's ISK or just a thank you.

Bloggers already get their media account, how about something for those awesome video makers from /my eve/?



The video makers from My EVE are awesome contributors and it would be cool to find a way to encourage and reward them more. We have done things like just send someone a T-shirt or a ship model for catching our attention in a big way but we should look at what we can do more when we design our framework for this.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-10-10 19:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
In the future I would suggest sticking to gifting plexes and the like. No one (or at least not many) would have batted an eye if you gave Somer 30 plexes. Nex clothes would also work.

Giving out unique ships in a spaceship sandbox....eh......not the best idea.
Gamer4liff
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-10-10 19:09:03 UTC
No in game isk-bringing rewards sounds about right to me honestly.

A comprehensive proposal for balancing T2 Production: here

Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#31 - 2013-10-10 19:09:09 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
There was over 100 ISW "spawned" before this whole fiasco started. Why wasn't this an issue then and why now? Not only that, but plans to release more?

because the ISW was the prize for the poker tournament, hence it was announced.

and the poker tournament was open to any one (i assume) and as such it was available to "everyone" and not just some one that CCP decided deserved it based on an unknown set of criteria.
also, generally, the people in the poker tournament put some extra effort in (you know, turning up to the poker tournament, and winning it) vs somer doing nothing that isn't day-to-day business for them.

You failed to read this part...
CCP Guard wrote:
The first one went to the winner of the 2012 Fanfest Poker Tournament. Subsequent ones have been given to participants of various PVP tournaments, the 2013 Poker Tournament, the winner of the BIG Lottery 10th anniversary event, Alliance Tournament player commentators, Alliance Tournament volunteers, the staff of the Syndicate Competitive League (SCL) and most recently the staff of SOMER blink.

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ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#32 - 2013-10-10 19:09:33 UTC
Here's the million dollar question

what else has CCP secretly given out to pilots, communities, player run organizations?

l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#33 - 2013-10-10 19:09:39 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
also, generally, the people in the poker tournament put some extra effort in (you know, turning up to the poker tournament, and winning it) vs somer doing nothing that isn't day-to-day business for them.


You make it sound like as if creating and maintaining a well know eve online fansite + infrastructure and handling with employees is effortless.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

Kate stark
#34 - 2013-10-10 19:09:42 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
In the future I would suggest sticking to gifting plexes and the like. No one (or at least not many) would have batted an eye if you gave SOMER 30 plexes.

and even less if CCP would have just credited each blink employee with a month or two of game time and cut out the middle man.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#35 - 2013-10-10 19:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
i agree that ONLY out of game items should be given .... i also despise ISK giving in large quantities like bloody lotteries .. kind of destroys the point of having to earn isk the hard way like everyone else and the sense of achievement making isk off your own time and effort...

i would also like pirate noob ships to be cheap and attainable for all

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Kate stark
#36 - 2013-10-10 19:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
l0rd carlos wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
also, generally, the people in the poker tournament put some extra effort in (you know, turning up to the poker tournament, and winning it) vs somer doing nothing that isn't day-to-day business for them.


You make it sound like as if creating and maintaining a well know eve online fansite + infrastructure and handling with employees is effortless.


doesn't matter; because that's not what i said.

my point was; running blink is their day-to-day activity. playing poker is not a day-to-day activity for eve players as there's no poker mini-game.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#37 - 2013-10-10 19:10:42 UTC
Don't let the jealous screw up everyone else's fun. The ONLY problem with the ISW giveaways is that you gave so few of them out! I mean come on CCP... you've been running the most complex video game economy ever for 10 years and you don't know that? I don't believe that for a second. Not one. If you had dropped a bunch on the community it would be fine. Nobody would care. They are common and so they become worthless. Give them a slight handicap and give them away in bulk and you won't have a problem. So, be transparent about the numbers (because the markets need to know that) and don't create awards that us collectors are going to drive the price up on into the billions, otherwise you are giving away advantages. Also, the more you do this, and the more "special edition" assets are out there, the less people will care about them and the cheaper future gimped skin-job freebee ships will be. Somewhat self correcting over time, but just think about the market. Easy.

Second, I'd like to talk about the Gold Magnate. You should make more of them. Give them out as super high LP rewards. It's a shame not to use that model. Really silly in fact. Also, You should do the same for the serpentis corp and the guardian vex. I know this will lower the value on mine and I don't care. These are faction ships... it makes sense in the lore and just as a game to actually let the players USE them!

So those are my thoughts. Hope someone reads them.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

A Research Alt
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-10-10 19:12:17 UTC  |  Edited by: A Research Alt
CCP Guard wrote:
Should we stick to out-of-game things only?


Yes.

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Create non-transferrable in-game items as rewards?


No. Absolutely totally 100% no.

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Give no personal rewards and only prizes?


Not really sure what the difference there is supposed to be.

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Only items below a certain expected ISK value? Always give out tons of stuff at once so early recipients can’t cash out?


You shouldn't be giving out cash rewards in the first place.

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List all rewards publicly?


Absolutely. And list the reasoning behind them--something you still have not done for Somer Blink's rewards.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-10-10 19:12:58 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
In the future I would suggest sticking to gifting plexes and the like. No one (or at least not many) would have batted an eye if you gave SOMER 30 plexes.

and even less if CCP would have just credited each blink employee with a month or two of game time and cut out the middle man.

Yeah, this is an even better idea tbh. I think its possible to reward people without compromising the integrity of the spaceship sandbox.
A Research Alt
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-10-10 19:17:46 UTC
At the beginning of this, you say you'll cover why this happened, but you don't say why Somer Blink actually got anything, let alone the massive amount they received.