Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wasn't going to comment, but you developers need to remember that some of us make long term plans, and when you change the rules, change the ships, or change anything, and do not take into account the inconvenience, the destruction of planned strategies, and the literal jeopardizing of in game earning potential, it's like you are cutting down the rainforest. There will be consequences. There is a reason why people train certain skills. When you change things you can affect the value of their toons and their skill sets, wiping out or enhancing potentially years of time spent playing Eve. I'd recommend you avoid bulldozing the old neighborhood just because some special interest developers with money and power want to remake Eve, dropping in a bunch of changes without any storyline, plot, or political events in the game to go along with them. There just might be some old guy in that neighborhood with an antique shop whose life you will be destroying.
...Oh wait. Never mind.

One thing they really need to fix is that they are putting web bonuses on what they want to be long range fighting ships. Maybe you could justify webs on the kronos because of blasters (only maybe), but otherwise a web bonus is stupid. They should replace it with something worthwhile.

I think the web bonus was actually applied as a means of funtionality for these ships outside of bastion, and wasn't intended as a co-bonus to bastion.

However, it doesn't come across that way because the hulls still suck outside of bastion, and CCP's attempt to make them better outside of bastion with iteration 2, only lead to make bastion weak without actually helping the hulls outside of bastion very much at all, if not making them worse outside of bastion as well.

I feel it's actually fairly simple.

1) revert hull nerfs
2) buff sensor strength
3) return per level rep bonus, and have it apply to logistics as well
4) bring back resist bonus of bastion
5) remove 8th high slot and give each ship another tank slot
6) reduce sig radius
7) make bastion immune to cap war
8) convert tractor bonus to salvage bonus
9) allow them to focus on the new tractor structure
10) buff scan res

optionals

11) bonus to MJD range and allow range selection
12) make bastion instantly "anchor" the ship in place. This means it can't be bumped, and it can't jump gate/whs.
12 keeps them from having to increase mass and having a lockout timer to try and avoid these issues.

This means the Marauder is still functional in and out of fleet without bastion, and is very strong solo with bastion...

^This and I will drop the MWD.

--- ? Which important hull nerfs are there? Did I miss anything?

--- T2 resists are jsut better compared to that.


--- Their tank is already beyond the 3k mark. Way beyond that mark.

--- If they did this, the Paladin would become a mini-archon --- and completely immune to cap warfare, meaning it'd be (linked + drugged) hanging somewhere around the 5k local rep, and could run either local tank or 6 of 7 remote armor repairers cap stable. It would indicate that you'd need to have built a dread already in your c2/c3 to take that one down - together with the fleet it is supporting.

Obligatory "If-you-don't-think-the-proposed-changes-are-vastly-overpowered-and-will-****-over-the-current-pvp-meta-you-are-bad-at-this-game" post.

Torp Golem gets range and looses speed + agility + align time + tank without bastion + drone bay. I'm sorry, I don't see the upside here. Caldari best Missile boat is CNR and in some cases Golem. Now the 60+ days of training for it are going to allow me to fly a very slow ship, that has to use bastion to tank, so it cannot move and gets a bonus to web's, that don't work as good as painters, which Golem is only one of 4 Marauders that has to use...

also, torp Golem isn't worth flying currently.. It's maybe 100dps more than a cruise golem, but at the cost of greatly reduced range, and less effective dps... not to mention the higher fitting costs....

Even if you're brawling, it's not worth it to use torps over CM....

To sum it up, once you take the fitted ship into account (which previously wasn't possible due to lack of fittings) they received a pure buff. I really don't care about your pith a-type med shield boosted carebear-mobiles, but about what they can accomplish in pvp. Cause someone will use those for that and suddenly all those doods go 'WTF; I didn't know they could do THAT'
Most of what I hear is crying that you don't get how that ship is working.

To make it clear, fit a pith XL-b-type (appropriate mod for a pvp-shieldmarauder) and check up that tank.


Also, how is agility/velocity/mass/signerf (lol) going to affect your missioning? How is the loss of a couple hundred raw-HP affecting the ship?
Dualweb-Battleships have no issues whatsoever to blap a thrasher at 500m, really. A 80%-web does the same as regular dualwebs.
The big advantage for pvp-marauders is their huge cargohold, thus they are rather hard to cap out. Taking into account that a pvp-fitted battleship has either capchaining logis in fleet or a heavy capbooster anyways, two for risky repsetups.

To the paladin: I fitted one as an archon, went up to +230GJ maxrecharge, passive. That is a little less than a neutfitted bhaalgorn can neut, though it is enough to keep running while under pressure of a 8neut abaddon. If you'd take that cap-warfare immunity, it would rep like 2 guards...

+1 for the bastion
-1 for the reduction of web boni