EVE General Discussion

Heh,... yeah

... null bear tears, best tears.

True but to an interceptor?!?

Let's get serious. Of all classes of ships that could utilize this style of protection... If you can't get past a gate camp, bubble or otherwise, with an interceptor - either go back to highsec or /salute to a camp that *WAS* awake and paying close attention. Either they did a very good job or you flat out suck at flying that ship.

With the warp speed changes, they already will get a big boost to "intercepting" targets - but "prey" role protection?!?! T3's give up one hell of a lot of potency to fit that sub-system and I see zip-spank "costs" for these tiny speed-demons to now get it...

While I don't know the OP personally, I don't want to seem insulting here. But as one player to another, I have to say: learn to hunt for your food, OK?

Where there are many who claim that people who can mine rocks all day have something wrong with them, and their playstyle is some kind of pox on the game, the same can be said about people who are equally semi-AFK (or on Ritalin) and watching a gate all day just to kill everything that comes through it.

And I know this playstyle, for the rage I have seen from people who lamely orbited the gate and still didn't get the kill is comparable to the rage of a miner getting bumped out of the belt or ganked.

The tears flow all the same. Of course the gate campers have a higher opinion of themselves, based on some notion that PVP is some high-exalted and holy playstyle, but lacking the memo that shipraep on a gate, sometimes waiting an hour for a target, is not impressing on the world any model of greatness (or intelligence for this matter).


We need MORE bubble-resistant ships. The Great Wall of Carebear (bears on both sides, BTW) is obvious, and something is being done about it.

We are also forgetting that on the agressor or pursuit angle of things, a nullifying inty is going to be very dangerous in a pursuit. This is is a ship that can escape it's own bubble camp, overfly a running ship, land at the gate, jump ahead of it, then tackle it on the other side. This is going to be nasty.

I'm not keen on this suggestion for two primary reasons. Firstly it runs (as does the fitting of CovOps cloaks to everything) counter to the drive to force a combattant to commit - a group of 'ceptors could (with this ability) fight in a bubble in certain knowledge that, should things go south they can disengage immediately. It isn't as if burning out of a bubble took very long in the first place, although it also isn't the case that the Interceptor has much margin for error given that their most direct escape route offers the chance of a very low transversal volley.
Secondly it significantly reduces the effectiveness of Interdictors which were at one point, with their relatively high speeds, sphere launchers and relatively heavy frigate weight armament, one of the better counters to fast moving interceptors. Of course the Interdictor tends to be relagated to drive-by bubbling these days but I have been involved in some fantastic small Interceptor vs Interdictor chases, the Inties trying to hold point while also trying to avoid both the firepower of the 'dictors and having enough of them in range to make a bubble worth deploying.
With the high speed of Interceptors Interdiction Nullification means that the only real counters are either instalock volley damage (which I think everyone can agree is no fun) or other Interceptors - and when the sensible counter to a ship or class is another of that ship or class problems and imbalance develops.

Like I said, an all around excellent change of mechanics.


And, to remain serious, that's probably the point. After all, T3 ships are meant to provide similar, but always slightly worse, abilities than T2 ships have, only they can do so in combinations that the T2s can never match. The nullifier was something that didn't sit well in that paradigm, so giving interceptors that ability means that we now have a T2 ship that can do it, and a T3 sub that can do it slightly worse (since they're not nearly as fast or agile).

…and like you say, at the end of the day, interceptors are probably the ones that will be the least affected by this since their bubble-evasion was already top notch.

Flamers gonna flame,
racists gonna race,
Interceptors gonna intercept.

Frankly, there are a lot of disillusioned players posting in this thread:

There are two directions on most gate camps:

Those that setup on a gate and wait for players to jump into them and their bubble. Interceptors are almost always able to burn back to gate in these camps, and your deluding yourself if you think you can cold warp away out of the bubbles when ceptors become nullified. It is not hard to bring along a sensor boosted ares or thrasher that can insta-lock any frigate before it warps, ceptors included.

Those that setup drag bubbles around a gate. Most gates that are seriously camped are done so regularly, and any solid player gets bookmarks around the gate so they can bypass the bubbles at will. This change makes it much easier for inties to traverse these camps without preparation or intelligent piloting.

And what is the benefit we get for dumbing down travel, so inties can ignore the later type of gate camp that is already easy to avoid by competent players?
-- You can ignore dictor stop bubbles which are used to slow down fleets? And why is this good thing? In order for that bubble tactic to work, the dictor has to be on gate, with his bubble up, before the inty even hits the warp bubble. If your target has their timing down, or pre-sets up a stop bubble to delay chasers, that means they are thinking ahead and playing strategically. Those plays should be applauded, not gimped by giving inties this bonus.

-- You can ignore bubble wrapped gates to go catch ratters. Frankly, the number of bear operations that bubble wrapped gates in EvE is not very many, so this isn't some majorly applicable situation. Generally speaking, those bears that do bubble wrap their gates are generally blingier operations, but they are also using taking time to protect their operation. Again, their foresight should be somewhat applauded, even if they do run to a POS and hide until you leave.

I don't think this change is at all in the right direction.



This change simply makes flying an interceptor safer. It is a change to make nullsec travel safer. This is not a good thing, and I'm really shocked your advocating for it Tippia...

The OP is pretty dim.

Ill put the gravy on these potatoes for ya.


making interceptors more valuable encourages old bitter vets to fly with younger pilots thus growing eve.

it doesnt matter how many things you list. my one point nullifies, HEHE PUN INTENDED, them all.

Growing your business is the capitalist way

/end thread

Why do you fly an inty?

Your are out soloing. Combat inties are great for this, and the taranis is one of my favorite ships. It's been put in its place with the changes to AF's, dessies, and frigate hulls, but it is still a solid ship. Your primary targets here are other interceptors, frigate hulls, dessie hulls, and cruiser hulls. To be honest, most people won't engage anything other than t1 frigates and other interceptors with these.

You are skirmishing for a fleet. Fleet inties have the dps of a feather pillow and generally perform the roles of scouting and skirmishing for a larger group.

Fast travel. Their ability to power out of bubbles, or power back to gate, combined with their high warp speed and quick align times makes them a great traveling ship.

This change makes it so fast travel requires no preparation and is generally safer than ever.
This change makes it so skirmishing for a fleet is safer, and you don't have to worry about drag bubble traps to gank your inty before backup arrives.

Catching interceptors in a bubble is a major deal when engaging them, as the distance at which you start the combat is pivotal in the success of the combat, especially when under time constraints because of their backup.

This change essentially removes interceptors from non-consensual PvP.