Science & Industry

Herein lies the problem;

There isn't enough ore that contains mexallon to mine like you're suggesting, period. It's become so rare in null-sec that completely mining out just the ore that contains mex in a system means spending more time jumping from site to site (not belts since its not there) to mine it than you do mining .....




Better balancing of the ores since the changes in materials needed in blueprints since Odyssey came out hasn't happened, and this is why people are complaining.

how about putting a rorqual in a pos shield one jump outside of high sec and compress plagioclase? then JF compressed plag from there? I'm an industry noob but wouldn't that more efficiently get u the mex you need?

also infrared XL looks pretty good at mex compression
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/compression/index.php?typeid=36

I'm no expert but this sounds like possibly a good idea Johanna? I expect there might be some defensive/wardec problems arising from it though?

I love how timely my return is... first changes to mining in years.

I was being sarcastic. I still get emails that thank me for a guide I wrote half a decade ago, which I assume means it is still relevant.

Aside the venture, there really isn't anything new since I left 3-4 years ago. There's been changes and tweaks, but the fact supercap production is still such a major pain all these years later is a clear sign that industry requires some serious attention.

It used to be passive targeters were best to compress, now from what I read in this thread it's rails. And this proposed has left a gap for mex, forcing a ridiculous amount jumps and fuel expenditures.

My guess is CCP cares little about the complexities of the logistics behind supercap building, since, realistically, they represent a tiny fraction of the playerbase. So tiny, it's probably less than 1%. Last time I was building supercaps, I had 6 accounts and a 15 characters to run the logistics of it. It's ridiculous, but it's how it is, and it's part of the challenge.

Still, spending a billion in ISK in fuel just to move a single type of mineral appears like an oversight to me and not a game design.

It used to be, back in the days, that the only thing worth mining in nullsec were high-ends, which you'd export to jita for sale, then buy the low-ends you needed, compress them, and ship them back up. With a 40% refinery and the proper skills, you incurred zero loss with the refine.

Now, from what I understand, they adjusted mineral per ore rations to make them worth mining in nullsec, but there's still not enough mex, and there's no modules out there that efficiently compresses mex.

The quick band-aid solution is to create a new module, or change the requirements of a module, to allow for mex compression.

Long term, they should alter the min ratios to fix this.

Let's not kid ourselves, though: relieving the pain and suffering of the few supercap builders in the game is probably very low priority for CCP.

No worries. Null is on a good way to get independent from Highsecimports. It only takes time. CCP can't do it at once, it would people screw to much.

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What about tweaking the ore compression and maybe making it possible to use a new POS module (even in hisec) to compress ores. This would reduce the burden on inter-regional trade while keeping regions distinct.

Alternately how about an ore JF that has a large ore / mineral bay (say ~1M m3), but a much smaller general cargo (say 10k m3 like a carrier)?

This would require them to deal with the problems we currently have with towers, and CCP isn't addressing it either.


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