Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Minmatar historically have lower sensor strength vs most other ships. Didn't look at the claymore tbh.

NVM

Any chance of looking at the skill requirements to fly these things? Nine months of training just to undock one, over a year for Command Ships V and full effectiveness is frankly absurd, and the majority of those SP will not provide any benefit to you the vast majority of the time.

Can you please just give up on the idea of on Grid Boosting ships until you fix off grid boosting?

You're side grading or nerfing some of these ships in the name of something that will never happen in a fleet fight (On Grid Boosting) until you remove off grid boosting.

Making someone be outside the shields is only part of the problem. You're going to see Command/T3s just orbiting around outside the shields now.

Maybe in 1.2? Hopefully they do BLOPs at the same time.

LOL go home. you prolly only have 10mil sp and are butt hurt you cant fly one.

haha so happy about the drake nighthawk and myrm eos and its drone changes, i don't even care right now. when i wake up one day to find those in my hangar it's going to be better than Christmas.

out of the lot, I get to keep my long black claymore hnngggggg

It's not being changed.

The damnations damage has universally been pathetic. The Eos and Astarte would mow it down to kibble.

Damnation will still be the fleet brick. I'd like to start seeing some Eos/Ast fits now.

So you're terribly afraid of powercreep on hacs, but you make every single command ship (except the vulture, because double optimal bonus is bad) into massive combat beasts? It's not like BCs were already taking all the space in term of brawling ships, now we have a whole class of ships with massive weapon bonus, T2 resists AND tanking bonus. With that, they should become the natural option for heavy brawling with costly ships, eclipsing both T3 and hacs. I think some of those changes could have been done on some of the hacs instead of command ships (the eagle and deimos could use some of the treatment given to their command ship counterparts).

But at least I'm happy to see we will have more option, since both command ship in the same race gives the same racial link bonus with different weapon options, you can choose the one the most adapted to your fleet composition. The fact that we still have half of them suited for large fleets (resist bonus) and half of them suitable for small gang (rep bonus) sounds cool. Could have been interesting to have this split in each race instead of having two fleet races and two small gang races. But it's flavorful that there is no "fleet" (aka with passive tank bonus) command ship with skirmish bonus.

I totally expect to see tons of the active tank ones in solo/small gang, and to see the fleet ones become an interesting doctrine to compete really strongly with the other expensive subcaps (hacs, T3s), since they have both massive tank and massive gun bonuses. I think you will have to monitor their effects on those ship's use cases, they may reduce hacs potential roles even more. Right now, at least half the hacs are designed for brawling and lack some of the tools for zipping around and controlling engagement range, so the few still used for that, like the zealot, may get overshadowed even more by more combat BCs. This could be fine if you give them back another role, but if they stay like they are, they may become useless.

I may be overreacting and overestimating the raw combat potential of the new command ships, but I'm afraid I'm not.

Edit: after reconsidering, the lost turrets all around make this less overpowered than I thought. Combat command ships with T2 resists and resist bonus may still be a potential comp, but since they all dropped to 5 guns, this is probably balanced. Bit of overreaction on my part. I don't know how being able to have both bonused links and very good guns will affect the small gang scene, but it should have a lot less impact than I said on fleet warfare. I hope it gets play as a new costly doctrine (absolution should be good for that, I think), while being balanced, that would be beautiful.