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New dev blog: Introducting the EVE Launcher

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#201 - 2011-11-10 05:32:48 UTC
CCP Cascade wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
CCP Topknot wrote:
But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.


Really!?

Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding?


Hi Lors Dornick,

Since we're making a new system for updating, installing and repairing your client, it is important that we get to the bottom of what benefits people see in the current tools that are out there. We all know that people use them differently and see different benefits and drawbacks for them and the question was more to get to the core of the concern rather than guessing. Guessing does not fit in well in a two way communication.

The specific concern Tippia raised, has been raised in several replies in this thread and is something we will take a look at together as a team.

As mentioned in the dev blog and previous replies, this is an early version where you have the chance to come up with cool new features, ask questions and help form the launcher into something you will be happy to use.


My point was Devs that not only ask for feedback, they act on said feedback and now even start to resolv issues we didn't even know we had ;)

This has escalated beyond refocus on WiS and is starting to look like a race to see who'll get most free beer at fanfest ;)

Not that I'm complaining in any way.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Nicole Louise
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#202 - 2011-11-10 07:38:05 UTC
Would be fantastic to be able to launch all accounts from the one log in screen as someone said earlier. I run three and its not a pain but anything new is great. I embrace change. Big smile

Also someone said it would be nice to have either SISI or Tranq log in buttons on this, I like that too.
DarthMopp
I.D.I.O.T.
Sev3rance
#203 - 2011-11-10 07:40:05 UTC
*yawns*

Whys everyone coming around the corner with a launcher nowadays?

Doesn´t matter. Do we get a EULA for the launcher or will it be covered with the general EULA we already have?

I dont wanna see that thing go boink like that ORIGIN crap that EA distributed with Battlefield 3. Goddamn Datacrawler.

So, whats the further plans with the EvE Launcher? Getting a Steam Clone online? Tough of course i could understand this. Valve is earning loads of money with this crap.


Seriously...only one wish for the launcher: Make it optional!

Thanks :)
M1AU
Zappenduster Inc.
#204 - 2011-11-10 08:02:28 UTC
CCP Topknot wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…soooo. Manual patching?

Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.


As others pointed out, manual patching could be handy especially for Linux / WINE users. There are people out there which simply can't or won't run a MS operating system and as EVE through WINE worked for me the last 4 years, I'd rather like it to stay that way. If the new launcher always works, fine, but any fallback is appreciated.
TxShadow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#205 - 2011-11-10 08:05:52 UTC
Crunchmeister wrote:
Just make sure that this front end is capable of launching multiple clients. It would be pointless otherwise.

Also, how about letting us log off a character without having to restart the client. Just take us back to the character selection screen and choose a new char on the same account!


Agree here, if this "thing" doesn't fully support MULTIPLE instances from MULTIPLE directories, then make it possible to stay with our old and current system. Because we have during the years learned of ways to adapt this game to work with multiple accounts, due to your official lack of support (witch is ironic with the power of 2 u keep trying to sell). Many have noticed that if u have dual screen, the best way is to have 2 installations with separate cache and settings to keep them on different screens and maybe also graphical setting.

Remember, in many cases there are eve players that have more experience in EVE then GM/CCP employees. We have learned to adapt around your designs for years, and after half a decade, you get used to things "your own way".

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing".

But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding. Twisted


This made me laugh so hard i nearly fell of the chair. Seriously, ANY no-knowledge child can use a Mac, (and they often do), so i agree with you that Mac need this tool, hell i think THEY need it 10x more then any windows user would.

And i am willing to bet that ANY windows user, even the dumbest one, can use a Mac, but put a mac user in front of a PC, and he might not even be able to start it, let alone use it. This is because it takes at least some know how to use a PC, and to be able to really tweak them take some own thinking. A Mac, you cant even tweak anything if you compare. Apple is your daddy telling you what software u can run, and what function you can use, you have to hack tools just to change things.

No please CCP, let these Mac users get this new toy... let them Beta test your software, and see how they like it.

Crunchmeister wrote:

Odd. Most Windows users consider Apple products to be geared to the technologically challenged who need training wheels and a hand-holding. P


You forgot diaper and bib, but indeed right.
CowRocket Void
Of Tears and ISK
ISK.Net
#206 - 2011-11-10 08:13:56 UTC
/me has to write new login scripts now :(. Yeah, I'm that lazy.

All well, adapt and overcome, amirite?

bleeding shadow darkness > did i just saw a red procurer? :P
CowRocket Void
Of Tears and ISK
ISK.Net
#207 - 2011-11-10 08:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: CowRocket Void
mental note "we got ganked" means we posted your comment but didn't want you to know.

bleeding shadow darkness > did i just saw a red procurer? :P
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2011-11-10 09:01:01 UTC
Can you set up the launcher so that I can update both my Tranquility and Singularity clients and choose which one I'd like to launch? I think you'd get more peeps on the test server if it were easier to update and log into ;)

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Skinagi
Picon Prayers
#209 - 2011-11-10 09:01:53 UTC
Hi I think i've found a bug with the launcher.

It's no big deal, but with this bug the launcher not even launch :D

When Eve is installed in a folder with spaces like "EVE Singularity" the updater of the launcher can't start. Here is the command launch to update the launcher :

C:\Users\Skinagi\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\d_jeux_eve singularity\updater.exe /path=D:\Jeux\EVE Singularity /url="http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/launcherupdate_0_21.dat" /execute=launcher.exe

And if you copy/paste that in a command launcher you've got :
'C:\Users\Skinagi\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\d_jeux_eve' n'est pas reconnu en tant que commande interne
ou externe, un programme exécutable ou un fichier de commandes. (french OS :D)

The command is not recognized.

For the moment I will remove the space of the folder to make the launcher work :D

Hope this helps.
Skinagi
Picon Prayers
#210 - 2011-11-10 09:09:07 UTC
Ouch. It seems that the launcher doesn't really like my Windows 7 64bits ... :-/
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#211 - 2011-11-10 09:25:07 UTC
PLS no adons like launcher i hate i them all PC slows down again you wil hit ppl with slower PC`s. And make for them live painfull. OR keep it optional that if i wish i can put it up if i dont wish than i not ruining that junk.
Skinagi
Picon Prayers
#212 - 2011-11-10 09:36:30 UTC
CCP Mandrake wrote:


Run the repair tool and it will fix it, you will have to run it with a special command line though ...

repair.exe --server=SISI


I've tried that and i've got :

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "repairTool\progressPanel.pyc", line 99, in _TaskRun
File "repairTool\repairUI.pyc", line 104, in Start
File "repairTool\repairLogic.pyc", line 197, in Repair
File "repairTool\repairLogic.pyc", line 363, in Restore
File "zsync\zsync.pyc", line 374, in RestoreFolder
File "zsync\zsync.pyc", line 728, in GetRollsums
File "stuff\dataPile.pyc", line 118, in GetBlock
KeyError: '0'
Sessym
Ministry of War
#213 - 2011-11-10 09:40:31 UTC
CCP Topknot wrote:

This is not removing the login screen. You will still see the beautiful login screen :)


That is exactly why most people don't see the real need behind it :) If we have a launcher, we should at least have the option to switch characters without having to restart. I know that's technically harder to do, but otherwise it doesn't feel very useful.

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Sicex
#214 - 2011-11-10 09:45:47 UTC
Anyway to allow the launcher to display full News items to browse while someone installs or patches?

Would be nice and would also promote reading of the news as well.
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#215 - 2011-11-10 09:50:33 UTC
I Have question to ccp:

1. how that inpacts PC`s performance (that slows down the system as holl or not)?
2. One launcher wil be able handle my 4 clients at one witout lonching 4 launchers?
3. There wil be option thati can swith chars on one acount witout reloging?


TNX if wil be answered.
Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
#216 - 2011-11-10 10:01:02 UTC
M1AU wrote:
CCP Topknot wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…soooo. Manual patching?

Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.


As others pointed out, manual patching could be handy especially for Linux / WINE users. There are people out there which simply can't or won't run a MS operating system and as EVE through WINE worked for me the last 4 years, I'd rather like it to stay that way. If the new launcher always works, fine, but any fallback is appreciated.


And currently the launcher on Sisi doesn't work with wine :$. I must admit I would really enjoy the launcher to stay optionnal, even if it is the default option. Or maybe we could get a way to configure the Sisi launcher to work on TQ, since it works wonder with wine ?
bornaa
GRiD.
#217 - 2011-11-10 10:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
how about Launcher becomes log in screen QuestionQuestionQuestionIdeaIdeaIdea
this would be logic... we have all tools (and more) from log in screen in Launcher, but we need to start game to get log in screen to enter user name and password... log in screen only for that? no logic in that...
whats for log in screen then QuestionQuestionQuestion
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Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#218 - 2011-11-10 10:12:44 UTC
oogs wrote:
Same question as a few others - what about us multi-boxers? I run upwards of 4 instances, and I have clients configured per-video card*. Will this still be possible with the launcher?

*To clarify: I have 2 video cards, each card runs 2 displays. If I use the client configured to use GPU 1 (or 2) on the displays powered by GPU 3 (or 4), I get horrible FPS. So that I don't have to change settings all the time, I just have 2 copies of EVE on my system, one configured for each video card.


Far easier to do:

#1: Simply copy the whole directory after patching (takes some time)

#2: Use a symbolic link (Windows Vista/7; didn't try it yet, but should work fine):
  • I assume you've got the first client in "C:\Games\Eve Online".
  • Type "cmd" into the start menu, right click the found entry and pick "Run as Administrator".
  • In the dos window run (with quotes): mklink /D "C:\Games\Eve Online" "C:\Games\Eve Online (2)"
  • The second path given will be the symbolic link being created. This will cause these links to appear as their own folders on your hard disk, however they'll all essentially use up the same hard disk space. This way you could have 100 clients on your HDD that still require the same space as only 1 client plus you can update all 100 at once! (Just ensure you launch the other instances using their own (startup) paths once patching is done).

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Assaj Ventress
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#219 - 2011-11-10 11:24:41 UTC
Nice feature. When will you add a possibility to switch characters on th same account without logging out?
Zendon Taredi
Tier Four Technologies
#220 - 2011-11-10 11:26:40 UTC
Nice. Any plans on integrating singu and duality? Having everything in one launcher would be nice.