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New dev blog: Introducting the EVE Launcher

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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#181 - 2011-11-09 22:11:45 UTC
Updated the SiSi client, clicked on launcher.exe to test it......nothing.
It stays in the process list for about a second and then quits again. I have searched for an error log or something similar, but could not find one. I even tried logserver, to no avail....Sad

Please provide me with information as on what I have to do to let YOU know what goes wrong, then I will do so.

WinXP Pro 32 bit, fully up to date.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
Inanna Zuni
ZuniCorp
#182 - 2011-11-09 22:13:52 UTC
**PLEASE** bear in mind that some of us using the Windows client actually have nothing to do with the MS operating system whatsoever but are actually using Linux / Wine. As such, while it is nice to see stuff for the MS-users out there don't presume that the direct-individual access to patches, etc. will ever go away. Patching for linux/wine users cannot be automated and anything which tries to do so without having a [stop] button will be doomed to failure*.

Inanna


(* and drive even more of us away)
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#183 - 2011-11-09 22:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Smoking Blunts
please can we get the option to turn this off when it isnt patching?

also can we get the same option as now not to clean up the instal data, so we can patch multiple clients from the same downloaded data, please

OMG when can i get a pic here
Levitikon
Sunrise Services
#184 - 2011-11-09 22:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Levitikon
Lots of this post is written in all-caps, because it's friggin' important.

Ok. Every mmo on market has a launcher. so, nothing special here (funny fact - I considered EVE launcher-less design to be an next gen solution - no crappy extra app needed to run).

That said.

since you're implementing launcher, MAKE SURE TO LEVERAGE EVE'S ADVANTAGES and DO NOT WRITE CODE THAT WILL BE NEVER USED OR APPRECIATED BY 99,99% OF PLAYERBASE (aka. staging). In other words - PLEASE ADD BUILT-IN MULTI-ACCOUNT SUPPORT and preferably multi-character support.
Why?
Staging is pretty much useless (I know it sounds nice on paper), because there is a very small chance people will spend long enough in character creator to get EVE-proper downloaded and installed in the background. So, in the end, they will be stuck on waiting screen whether you waste precious coding resources or staging, or not. Chances that this feature will actually improve new player retention are pretty damn slim - mostly because waiting for EVE to install is not where churn happens - it's mostly at horrible, Win95 based (CCP words, not mine) user interface that users are subjected to after they log to game proper. So, if you want to improve player retention, this is where you should be focusing all your efforts.

Another obvious problem with staging, is that it will not be used by anyone who already has a character. I can estimate and bet 10B isk to you, that in month time, more than 99,99% player launcher interactions would not use staging.

Instead, focus on strengthening unique points of EVE, and that is:
-extremely widespread multiboxing use (WHICH ALREADY GENERATES CRAZY ARPU, AND CAN BE FURTHER IMPROVED)
-multicharacter use; no other game puts such emphasis on using alts, and alts are gateway drugs to true multiboxing

Instead of staging (another Incarna, coding resource allocation-wise), give us following features:
1. Ability to select account from launcher.
2. Ability to launch/stage multiple accounts at once.
3. Ability to chose which character to log in.
4. Mixture of the above.
4. Tabbed clients, in longer term (not as a brand new, multi-session capable client that will require full EVE rewrite, just as a way to manage multiple EVE client windows, new UI scaling framework you devblogged about recently will nicely into it)

Make it easy to multibox and encourage people to do so. It will make playerbase happy and will make you much more money than some than staging character creation ever could .
Malrock
Space noobs forever
#185 - 2011-11-09 22:49:13 UTC
someone has played wow for too much... launcher is pretty much a copy of WOW's launcher....
Learath
Incendiary Industries
#186 - 2011-11-09 22:49:42 UTC
Just FYI, if you're dumb enough to try to do this it'll kill your tq and sisi clients for free. THANKS!
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#187 - 2011-11-09 23:11:20 UTC
CCP Mandrake wrote:
The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.
So each client will still have his own settings folder in AppData, even if one of them is in a directory that is just a junction point pointing to the EVE folder containing the launcher?

Also, I'd like to remind you that I am still a fan of the "Clear cache after patching" checkbox or a "clear all cache" button on the launcher. I don't care much which, as long as I won't have to start and restart the client to clear the cache. So if I can do this by accessing settings via the launcher, that's fine too, although the first 2 options would be better IMO.

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M'nu
Vard School of Cryo Cuisine
#188 - 2011-11-09 23:11:52 UTC
Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#189 - 2011-11-09 23:14:07 UTC
M'nu wrote:
Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship?
Wyvern, with a Moros in the background.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#190 - 2011-11-09 23:20:43 UTC
CCP Topknot wrote:
Akara Ito wrote:
Please add an option to set a maximum download speed

This is already in there.


Good, thats needed over here.

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M'nu
Vard School of Cryo Cuisine
#191 - 2011-11-09 23:22:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
M'nu wrote:
Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship?
Wyvern, with a Moros in the background.


No, the one in the box on the right hand side, in the devblog.

Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#192 - 2011-11-09 23:29:57 UTC
M'nu wrote:
No, the one in the box on the right left hand side, in the devblog.

Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex.
Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.

That's a Tyrfing, the Minmatar Fighter-Bomber (assuming you're talking about the picture in the blog, not the ones in the right-hand-side column, since those are just randomly picked chronicles).
M'nu
Vard School of Cryo Cuisine
#193 - 2011-11-09 23:36:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
M'nu wrote:
No, the one in the box on the right left hand side, in the devblog.

Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex.
Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.

That's a Tyrfing, the Minmatar Fighter-Bomber (assuming you're talking about the picture in the blog, not the ones in the right-hand-side column, since those are just randomly picked chronicles).



Damn, I was nerdbonering all over the place thinking it was some new ship, I got my directions all messed. lol
Thanks

Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#194 - 2011-11-09 23:57:23 UTC
CCP Cascade wrote:
Komen wrote:
I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.

I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.

For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher.


What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?"

What feature would improve things for you?




Can't all this be done and still keep the traditional client window/ splash screen (ie current Incarna)? Keep the cool streamlined and efficient patching stuff on the backside, and just add appropriate progression bar, and buttons to what we have graphically?

We aren't doing away with the way the client looks now are we??

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#195 - 2011-11-10 00:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
Can't all this be done and still keep the traditional client window/ splash screen (ie current Incarna)? Keep the cool streamlined and efficient patching stuff on the backside, and just add appropriate progression bar, and buttons to what we have graphically?
…or, just to be completely contrary and to brainfart a bit for a second… P

If you're making a launcher, why are you picking the “cutoff point” where you've set it: between patching and log-in? Have you thought about any problems/benefits/possibilities with placing it somewhere else?

For instance, would it be possible to make it so that (and what problems would arise if) the launcher deals with patching and logging in — the main client then deals with character selection and gameplay. That should allow for the oft-requested ability to switch characters without having to relog (or, indeed, any of the things that are now handled by shutting down the client and relogging)… or at least to hide the process: you still technically relog, but what actually happens is that the main client just restarts with the same account info, so you don't have to enter it again.
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#196 - 2011-11-10 01:40:57 UTC
I give this idea two thumbs down. I don't see any issue with the current format which seems to work well enough. Frankly I love the fact that I can copy your installation folder anywhere, anytime and run it no problem. Try doing that with other games. Yeah right.

I also don't like a launcher period. (ala WOW) trying to stream in the background. I get a dirty feeling just thinking of that stupid WOW launcher. Besides we have a great format. Launch eve.exe, login, pew pew. Whats better than that?

Please reconsider this decision. I see no upside and only potential for disaster. At the very least make this optional like WIS.



Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#197 - 2011-11-10 01:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tres Farmer
Probably mentioned on the pages before, but please support multi-client environments in a way that people with several clients on the same machine or in the same house have to download patches/updates ONCE ONLY with that tool.
I hate Windows 7 for that ****.. all my boxes have to DL the stuff on their own and waste bandwidth.

And think about what Tippia said above. Switching characters shouldn't need a restart of the client. If you got problems with LogOffski, try to finally plug that friggin hole in your code.

As for the purists.. no idea what problem they got. I like your approach with that tool (just don't screw with the linux/wine users).
La Merovingian
Sailor's Grave
#198 - 2011-11-10 01:55:37 UTC
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
Updated the SiSi client, clicked on launcher.exe to test it......nothing.
It stays in the process list for about a second and then quits again. I have searched for an error log or something similar, but could not find one. I even tried logserver, to no avail....Sad

Please provide me with information as on what I have to do to let YOU know what goes wrong, then I will do so.

WinXP Pro 32 bit, fully up to date.


Same problem here, only Win 7 Ultimate, 64-bit.

Ran SisiLauncher tool to update client. Navigated to the /.../CCP/Singularity folder, and voila, there is the launcher.exe file waiting patiently. I double click.

Nothing.

Checked processes while running it, tried running as shortcut from desktop, tried running pinned on taskbar. Every time, same results. Process pops up. Processes dies.

I'll happily submit a bug report with dxdiag files or whatever else you'd like. Just point me in the right direction. :)
Sheol Duncan
Perkone
Caldari State
#199 - 2011-11-10 02:55:37 UTC
My fear is that it's simply adding another button to press every time I want to log into Eve. As I understand it, this launcher would open up, check if there is a patch, download the patch if so, and then toss us onto our regular log in screen with the pretty 3d background. I'd be more than happy to see that screen go in favor of a more simplified page, but I'd rather not have both the current page and a launcher. Is there any way you could add the log in section into the launcher?

If not, I would definitely like to see a way to skip the launcher unless there is another patch, also I'm not interested in passive downloads, as it means another process running in the background of my computer 24/7 for the few times where there actually is an update.
Beckett Firesnake
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#200 - 2011-11-10 05:16:43 UTC
I have 3 computers.
Shall I have to update the three separatly as today or shall we be able to make only one dowload for the three?