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New dev blog: Introducting the EVE Launcher

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Azureus Syntake
Black Rabbit Trading
#161 - 2011-11-09 19:51:31 UTC
CCP Mandrake wrote:
Mohr Cowbell wrote:
Salpun wrote:


Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?

The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.


Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator.


bummer, i will have to improve the logging so we can at least find out what is going wrong when this happens.


Same here. Using Win7-64. Read the eve launcher takes use of IE at the moment, maybe it's caused because I use IE9? Will wait for the next update Smile.

I like the introduction of an eve launcher, especially the staged installing feature.
Omega Tron
Edge Dancers
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#162 - 2011-11-09 19:53:17 UTC
In general I like the idea of the launcher approach to use as a starting point. However, it does need to end once an instance of eve client starts up. That should then allow for the start of a 2nd client for those of us that run multiple accounts. I am looking forward to when you put it up on SISI so I can test it. Then the real feedback can start.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#163 - 2011-11-09 20:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
ChaseTheLasers wrote:
Coming back to the issue though - I would only really not like to see the loss of 'large' manual patchers for expansions. For everything / most pushed updates after this, I wouldn't care and will use the auto patcher anyway. Copying a few meg file on a pendrive / across the network is rather pointless as the auto patching process is quicker.

Yeah, that's perhaps a better way to approach it: I don't really mind autopatching, but I would mind autoexpansions because at that point, having effectively 5 clients each download and install a multiple-hundreds (or even gig+ sized) expansions would just be a waste of time and bandwidth — mine as well as yours.
Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2011-11-09 20:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aethlyn
Started the launcher and it said it would update itself. Then, once the bar was filled, nothing. No more launcher.exe running.

I started it again, yet again, nothing happening anymore. This might be the same issue described by TheDutchDude.

So I got curious and launched the launcher with GDB to get the debug outputs (if there are any):

Quote:
[New Thread 4220.0x1be0]
warning: SXS: BasepCreateActCtx() NtOpenFile(\??\C:\Games\EVE Online (Singularity)\♦) failed

[New Thread 4220.0xdc4]
[New Thread 4220.0x1ef8]
[New Thread 4220.0x1c84]
[New Thread 4220.0xde0]
[Inferior 1 (process 4220) exited normally]


The non-ANSI characters are a bit confusing, but I guess those should show as some kind of quotes?

After repairing the launcher, it seems to run (no sure why; before I tried to launch it using a double click, now I launched it from the command prompt while still using the classic spaceless path name. Not sure if that's related or there's been a different issue.


Not directly related, but wanted to mention it anyway: repair.exe won't run properly when run from a directory with spaces in its name. E.g. run it within "C:\Games\Eve Online (Singularity)" and it will try to repair "C:\Games\Eve" instead. I had to use a command prompt and use the backwards compatibility name ("C:\Games\EveOnl~2") to use it.

Edit:
I'm running Windows 7 x64 too.

Edit 2:
The "Play" button is lacking feedback. I've seen there are different images in the launcher sub folder, but it's always the same blue/white color, no matter if the mouse is over it and/or I click it.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#165 - 2011-11-09 20:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
So will this mean you remove the offline installer or not?

Bc as much as I love your "innovative" ways - nothing (for me) beats the wonderful use of torrents - plus the fact that I got X number of clients to update on various places so the launcher is really not of any use to me in terms of patching...

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Mad Shopper
Mad Industrial Consortium
#166 - 2011-11-09 20:24:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mad Shopper
CCP Mandrake wrote:
oogs wrote:
Same question as a few others - what about us multi-boxers? I run upwards of 4 instances, and I have clients configured per-video card*. Will this still be possible with the launcher?

*To clarify: I have 2 video cards, each card runs 2 displays. If I use the client configured to use GPU 1 (or 2) on the displays powered by GPU 3 (or 4), I get horrible FPS. So that I don't have to change settings all the time, I just have 2 copies of EVE on my system, one configured for each video card.


The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.


On the same lines as this. With the current patcher I can DL the patch for the first client and tell it to save the files so I don't have to DL them again for the 2nd client. Does the new patcher still support this? I don't see a check box to keep the files.

Edit: 1st after C
Rhea Astraeos
#167 - 2011-11-09 20:25:02 UTC
Crunchmeister wrote:
Rhea Astraeos wrote:
Also, I think an EVEgate intergration would be nice. So that you login to EVE Gate in the launcher with all it's functionality. And when ingame you ramain logged in! (into EVE Gate Ingame browser)


The question is, do people actually use Spacebook other than checking their in-game mail when they're unable to log into the game?


I actually prefer the EVE Gate mail vs the ingame mail, it's alot more user friendly imo. And besides, you now use EVE Gate for forum posting too. So personally I think it would be nice.

It's not really a big deal tbh, but I think it would be nice that when you login to the game you're also logged into EVE Gate.
Untelo1
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2011-11-09 20:28:58 UTC
Hey thats cool. If it works as intended that is.

I run two clients and i have a separate installation for each to keep settings, cache etc apart. Will i still be able to do this?

Also when starting Eve, do i have to go through the launcher, or can i still start it up like before?
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#169 - 2011-11-09 20:30:02 UTC
Azureus Syntake wrote:
CCP Mandrake wrote:
Mohr Cowbell wrote:
Salpun wrote:


Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?

The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.


Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator.


bummer, i will have to improve the logging so we can at least find out what is going wrong when this happens.


Same here. Using Win7-64. Read the eve launcher takes use of IE at the moment, maybe it's caused because I use IE9? Will wait for the next update Smile.


Ditto. WinXP 32 bit. (IE 8.0.6 if it makes any difference). Exact same symptoms mr. Cowbell describes.

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Sedition.
#170 - 2011-11-09 20:36:04 UTC
On a launcher related note: What happened to the introduction of digipass keyfob VPN thingies to log into Eve? I still have mine from fanfest patiently sitting under my monitor. Bear
FzZZy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2011-11-09 20:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: FzZZy
In the next iteration of the launcher you could merge it with Eve Gate. That will increase the use of eve gate and a more solid solution. Then you could have a configuration on each account or even on each character. So when you launch Eve you are already logedin and the settings is for that character.

The configuration should be built up so you have a main configuration and first accounts have thier changes (Which screen eve should be displayd on) and secondly the character have changes to the two above configurations.

(Look at Battle field 3 battle log: Far from perfect but in the right direction)
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#172 - 2011-11-09 20:37:28 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
CCP Mandrake wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
So it looks like Launcher using Internet Explorer engine installed in system.
I wonder why not to use Awesomium instead, its already in Eve client and standalone. If launcher supposed to be next "Initial installer", then you can always include awesomium.dll with launcher package, right?
IE give me creeps each time I think about it. Shocked

Also obviously IE context menu should be disabled.


We are working on putting awesomium into the launcher, IE is just a temporary placeholder.



Then next devblog please place a 'WIP" disclaimer on the image (I didn't notice one), as well as in the CCP video just posted.

You guys make alot of emo nerd rage when you don't specify WIP as opposed to insinuating a final design


That's my end of the stick.

Point taken.

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2011-11-09 21:05:43 UTC
Quote:
In fact, the SisiLauncher is the technological, emotional, spiritual and conceptual predecessor to the Eve Launcher (Sorry, I’m trying to get my word count up. Also… plethora. I’ve always loved that word. Rambunctious, too. Decadent is another good one. Delicacy isn’t bad either). (editor’s note: loquacious is also a word)

Big smile
Falrec
Dremor Engineering inc.
#174 - 2011-11-09 21:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Falrec
CCP Topknot wrote:
To try the launcher now, please update your Singularity client to the latest version either by patching it, running the SisiLauncher or just getting the full EVE installer for it from here. You should then see the file launcher.exe in your client folder. Just run that to enjoy the goodness of the launcher.


The launcher don't work here...


I'm using windows 7 64bit too.
Kern Hotha
#175 - 2011-11-09 21:26:47 UTC
Is this supposed to be working on Sisi now? Launcher.exe shows up briefly in process explorer but then closes and nothing else happens.

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Bloph
Lamarr Industries
Rock Ridge Alliance
#176 - 2011-11-09 21:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloph
Falrec wrote:
CCP Topknot wrote:
To try the launcher now, please update your Singularity client to the latest version either by patching it, running the SisiLauncher or just getting the full EVE installer for it from here. You should then see the file launcher.exe in your client folder. Just run that to enjoy the goodness of the launcher.


The launcher don't work here...


Broken is also a word...
s1n1ster m1n1ster
Brutor Tribe
#177 - 2011-11-09 21:42:04 UTC
CCP Mandrake wrote:
oogs wrote:
Same question as a few others - what about us multi-boxers? I run upwards of 4 instances, and I have clients configured per-video card*. Will this still be possible with the launcher?

*To clarify: I have 2 video cards, each card runs 2 displays. If I use the client configured to use GPU 1 (or 2) on the displays powered by GPU 3 (or 4), I get horrible FPS. So that I don't have to change settings all the time, I just have 2 copies of EVE on my system, one configured for each video card.


The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.



what about junctions?
guess works the same..?
Token Prophets
Walking Ghost Phase
League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
#178 - 2011-11-09 21:48:54 UTC
CCP Topknot wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…soooo. Manual patching?

Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.


Manual patching is still required for multi PC/client updating and Linux users.

A couple of players I know have very poor internet connections with low data allocations, they download the patch file elsewhere (friends, Library, etc) and return to their home and patch the game.
Namyri'el
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2011-11-09 21:52:26 UTC
So..... mac support? Come on, guys... before we get into enhancing artificial aspects of the client, how about we get everything working right for everyone? The mac client is still buggy, crashes, and unnecessarily slow.... more people buy macs at this point than any other computer brand, so I really think it's in your best interest to at least give us equal support on the most basic of levels....
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2011-11-09 21:56:56 UTC
"Clear Cache" button.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement