EVE General Discussion

No, they really shouldn't, because that's horrid game design. In EVE, better usage of your assets (skills, skillz, ships, modules, geography, and friends) should dictate fights. And guess what? They do.

Character skills being just one part of those assets does not make a mockery of it — quite the opposite: it means they actually have a point in being there rather than sticking with some kind of obsolete and simpleminded level system when all that matters is time. The skill system is the best feature of EVE's design since it does away with that kind of nonsense. It's what makes it an actual RPG rather than just a braindead “level top trumps” game, like so many other MMOs out there.

500k for EVE and EVE China. Guesstimates from server activity put TQ at ⅘–⅚ of that.

I hit the like button so hard I nearly broke my mouse button.

I hereby petition to add this to the Scriptures, for verily 'tis the Gospel Truth.

EvE total (DUST release came after the 500k report, and it's a separate game).

The future of EVE is in the past. EVE is ten years old. Do you understand that in the world of software, especially games, that is ancient history? The fact that EVE even still exists let alone maintains a playerbase, let alone half a million subscriptions and a core of dedicated, committed fans is absolutely incredible.

But if you're waiting for the next great leap forward, then I suggest you look elsewhere. The future of EVE was 5 years ago. Tomorrow was yesterday.You missed it. It came and went, and it was glorious; and, now the fact that it's still playable is simply a credit to the knowledge, experience and expertise that CCP has crafted, honed and embraced over the past decade.

"Apologist?" CCP needs apologists? They have provided one of the longest-running, most in-depth, balanced, robust and incredibly diverse gaming experience the industry has known, and they have done so since dial-up internet was still a pervasive technology. Why would they want to apologize for that? And to whom do they owe this apology?

If you don't like EVE today, you're not going to like EVE next year, or the year after. They're not going to fundamentally alter what has worked for 3723 days and counting. Why would they? For you?

Please, don't hold your breath. EVE is what it is and this is probably all its ever going to be. If you don't love it now, don't hang out on the forums and ***** about it and expect it to change. Just go pick up some cheap games on Steam during the Summer Sale and pass the time until a new MMO comes out.

EVE is your grandfather. He's not going to pick a new favorite food now because you're like "Jeez, Grandpa, that's gross." and he's not going to stop watching Wheel of Fortune just because you don't like it and think Jeopardy is cooler. He's going to sit on his recliner, kick back, and drink his Miller Genuine Draft and maybe watch a baseball game or two and then he's going to die of old age and a lot of people are going to go to his funeral beacuse, you know what, he's been the best damn grandpa ever to a lot of us.

The thing is, I'm talking about EVE, not WoW. If you're going to make sweeping statements about how people play EVE, cite EVE examples, not examples from some unrelated and irrelevant game. I know entirely what I'm talking about, and you have shown at every turn that you do not.

If you want to talk about EVE, talk about EVE, or what you say is about as relevant to the here and now as what some illiterate goat herders who lived thousands of years ago thought about how life works…

How about one from EVE?

EvE players are no different from any other game nor how they think or act. Do you know why? Because those same players play OTHER games.

What goes around, comes around.

If you chose to live in an oyster, Tippia, don't complain about not seeing reality.

Nothing wrong with missions or PVE content. Or mining if you want to go that far. Ever had a hangover? It's something you can still go back to on those days you don't feel like risky exploration and space adventures, or all out war. Low / 0.0 / WH offer missions and PVE content under player threat, and I've always found piracy and small gang pvp one of the draws of the game. I never felt switched after the bait, really.

1) Look up "apologist" in a dictionary.

2) EvE sucked when it came out. It was barely playable at all. I didn't miss a damn thing. Please let's not look backward. The game has come a long way and I don't think GTG bookmark collections or getting stuck in gates was very cool at all.

3) That's an ad hominem attack + red herring modifier. I never said I don't like the game. Why would I be here otherwise? I just want more... I want it to be a BETTER game.

4) Yah I do know something about software, and 10 years is great, but what have you done for me lately, CCP? The game hasn't been around for 10 years because it's been around for 10 years. Your implication is faulty in logic and support. It's been around for 10 years because just when people were about to quit, Trinity came around and kick everyone in their complacent sack. Then again, when Apocrypha came out. That was a phenomenal and substantive release, and it kept people playing. EvE has existed for this long because it has been on the cutting edge for all that time, constantly reviving itself with great expansions. Then after Apocrypha it feels like the devs just lost their passion.

5) EvE is not all it's going to ever be, because CCP is a business. They will have 2 choices as subs lapse and alts are forgotten: innovate on the game, or innovate how they generate revenue. We'll see. I promise you, everything in EvE will be available for cash as the ship sinks. It's not about principals; it's about business and draining every last drop of revenue from the IP before it's dead. They have shareholders to think about. If they weren't making money there would be no EvE. That seems pretty straight forward to me... but here's something fun to think about: put yourself in the CEO's shoes. You have successfully built a huge and brilliant MMO. It is your company's first, though. If you had it to do again, think you'd do anything differently? Having poured all your blood sweat and tears into the IP for a decade, you're proud of your accomplishment and have earned a great deal of respect in the game dev and commercial circles. ...but the IP is getting a little stale... legacy technology problems plague your game and the development costs just keep mounting. Coaxing in new subscribers is getting more and more challenging. The other developers are excited on the surface... but secretly 10 years is a long time to work on one game. Side projects (ex. EvE-VR) are brilliant and innovative, and the contrast between your employees efforts in their side projects vs their regular development is stark. ...but what's this? You have ANOTHER IP that's hot, more broadly popular as a genera, and generating a little buzz. So here's the question that wall of text was prepping you for: Do you double down on the old game, or siphon off development funds for the new IP on the DL while placating the existing playerbase so they can keep your company on life support while you ready your NEW moneymaker for the market? Honestly.... make a business decision. People whom you care about deeply and owe your success to are counting on your for their livelihoods. What would you do?

Finally - EvE is a really cool game, but so was Freelancer. So was Mario Brothers. If the game get's "old" I'm going to play something cool instead. Like any other game, I'll remember it warmly, but hell if I'm going to look back.

So you have no EVE examples, then?

Themepark mindset players don't understand the nature of sandbox mmo-rpg games.

They just can't deal with it.