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PvP is totally uncompetitive and unfair

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Yusef Brion
Big Yellow Pidgeon Inc.
#101 - 2013-06-29 13:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Yusef Brion
Vera Algaert wrote:
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
Yes there are unfair advantages for older players flying frigates versus a new player with their frigate. But the training time isn't too bad. Within 1 month you should have, if you've narrowed your skill training to frigates and the mods associated with it, your skill books should be around lvl 4-5.

No mmo that I know of has there been a new player going around pawning older characters.Blink

In most other MMOs it takes you at most 2 weeks to get to max level...


wat

Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
oh look, it's this thread again.

OP, you're wrong and you're beating a dead horse. how does it feel?


That he's finally found an opponent he can cope with?


OH SNAP

OP is probably not even reading anymore.

The more I read the forums over the years, the more I swear. To god. That the typos are intentional mistakes. Part o f the encryption.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2013-06-29 13:54:51 UTC
Yusef Brion wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
Yes there are unfair advantages for older players flying frigates versus a new player with their frigate. But the training time isn't too bad. Within 1 month you should have, if you've narrowed your skill training to frigates and the mods associated with it, your skill books should be around lvl 4-5.

No mmo that I know of has there been a new player going around pawning older characters.Blink

In most other MMOs it takes you at most 2 weeks to get to max level...


wat


1-90 within 7 days (power leveling) is possible in WoW. Takes about 1 day to get from 85 to 90 as it is.

They can be max level in the amount of time to train Weapon Upgrades to 5.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#103 - 2013-06-29 14:00:06 UTC
Ohai I'm posting too! Also we took a few frigs into FW plexes last night in terrible experimental fits and we killed a T2 fitted Merlin. OP needs a few buddies but his attitude doesn't help.
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#104 - 2013-06-29 14:17:46 UTC

fluffy kitten quilting company and snuggle club [SNUGL]

Just check out their early wars, most of their characters where 2-3 weeks old when they where doing BILLIONS in damages taking virtually no losess.

There is people skill and their is character skill... character skill is practically irrelevant in Eve... people skill, is everything in Eve. These where new characters but old Eve dogs running them.

This is just one of countless examples, I chose them because I have personal experiance both facing their tactics in war and then ultimatly fighting along side them using their tactics.

Be humble in Eve and learn from the pros and you will get better and come to realize how irrelevant your character skills are in comparison to player skill.

Or you could stick with this tactic, where you cry on the forum and try to pretend like you know better then people who prove you wrong.

Your call.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#105 - 2013-06-29 14:46:10 UTC
I guess OP doesn't understand this game at all, and thinks higher "levels" and "bigger" is always better and always wins

poor bad OP

I hope one day he learns the trtuh
Etteluor
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2013-06-29 14:49:37 UTC
This is the single stupidest thing i've ever read on the forums, which is saying a lot. If you can't find a way to be useful to a fleet with low skillpoints then you probably don't belong in this game. Stop trying to solo pvp, join red vs blue, and learn how to play the game.
Eternal Corrosion
The Truskers
#107 - 2013-06-29 15:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Corrosion
You are pathetic.

Go back to mine so we, the bad people, can kill you in your mining ship and harvest your tears with our t2 guns while we use our faction ammo.

Also, go to manufacturing so i can buy a ship to kill you.

Bad lowsec piwate o7

I will always love LowSec
Hells Merc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2013-06-29 15:40:27 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


Life not fair kidda.....

As with a most things in life, bringing in your I was a fat kid at school but teach said I was a spechul snowflake
skewed view of reality is not going to cut it.

Fat kid up and do something about it, preferably without whining/trolling in the forums.

Good news for fat kids.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2013-06-29 16:38:08 UTC
Eternal Corrosion wrote:
Go back to mine so we, the bad people, can kill you in your mining ship and harvest your tears with our t2 guns while we use our faction ammo.

Also, go to manufacturing so i can buy a ship to kill you.

Bad lowsec piwate o7


Meanwhile, have you seen this?

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game

It'll be PvE.

Won't have to worry about low self-esteem basement boys polluting space.

Keep pushing and the only thing left for you to play with is some Goon bots.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2013-06-29 16:52:09 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
In most other MMOs it takes you at most 2 weeks to get to max level...


Today I learned "Other MMOs" means WoW.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#111 - 2013-06-29 17:35:36 UTC
oops another 2013 player posting that is having fun in PvP. Sorry to the OP for bursting bubbles.

http://blfox.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1589649

JUSTK is recruiting
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#112 - 2013-06-29 17:42:14 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
In most other MMOs it takes you at most 2 weeks to get to max level...


Today I learned "Other MMOs" means WoW.

With Ace everything is WoW.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#113 - 2013-06-29 17:44:57 UTC
Hey someone has to be bottom of the heap OP and god knows you're the one.
Yusef Brion
Big Yellow Pidgeon Inc.
#114 - 2013-06-29 17:51:03 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
In most other MMOs it takes you at most 2 weeks to get to max level...


Today I learned "Other MMOs" means WoW.




And I learned that no one else reads the quests or chats up other players for "fun". All the fun is at the endgame and if you ain't first, you're last.

The more I read the forums over the years, the more I swear. To god. That the typos are intentional mistakes. Part o f the encryption.
Sunshyn LaBlond
Heathen Souls
#115 - 2013-06-29 19:10:24 UTC
Tasty tasty tears
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-06-29 19:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
oops another 2013 player posting that is having fun in PvP. Sorry to the OP for bursting bubbles.

http://blfox.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1589649


yeah and you're lose board also shows you have tech 2 weapons and all your kills have been with a large fleet.

So pretty much what everyone has said is:


  • your an idiot and l2p
  • go play Wow
  • go to corp X
  • frigates are only good for tackling in a fleet


well if the last is true why bother having frigates at all in the game if they can't do anything by themselves.
Willie Horton
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2013-06-29 20:23:56 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
oops another 2013 player posting that is having fun in PvP. Sorry to the OP for bursting bubbles.

http://blfox.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1589649


yeah and you're lose board also shows you have tech 2 weapons and all your kills have been with a large fleet.

So pretty much what everyone has said is:


  • your an idiot and l2p
  • go play Wow
  • go to corp X
  • frigates are only good for tackling in a fleet


well if the last is true why bother having frigates at all in the game if they can't do anything by themselves.


I guess your intent to **** people worked.

If in any case you are serious about what you are writing you are wrong . It would be stupid in game of this type, that all call one of most difficult mmo's to go and make wonders in few days old pilot.
All takes time ,and for start try finding people that will help you understand how things work.There is many corps that are helping new players and even make them be really deadly to older pilots.
All you need to do is just ask around ,and check forum about it.

Don't come and bash game design if you didn't spent enough time to check is there options to enhance you play .This way you will only get burned nothing more.

We all started as new players and had our ups and downs,it is nature of game.In same time all that is not limiting you from most of stuff in this game,cause real power come from player interactions not from trying solo space crusade.You can play solo but for that you need really good knowledge of game and lots of trial and error .
Dogg The BountyHunter
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2013-06-29 20:58:05 UTC
I am a 2013 character and I have been trying to solo pvp in lowsec I've died to a couple of ships that I shouldn't have engaged as they had the same range that I did but I killed a t2 fit ship when I don't have t2 guns, all you have to do is pick a fit that can counter what you are flying against. It's hard and requires a lot of reading to make sure that you know what are engaging but it is possible.
Short Stack122
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2013-06-29 21:22:11 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
oops another 2013 player posting that is having fun in PvP. Sorry to the OP for bursting bubbles.

http://blfox.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1589649


yeah and you're lose board also shows you have tech 2 weapons and all your kills have been with a large fleet.

So pretty much what everyone has said is:


  • your an idiot and l2p
  • go play Wow
  • go to corp X
  • frigates are only good for tackling in a fleet


well if the last is true why bother having frigates at all in the game if they can't do anything by themselves.


why don't you quit whining and learn that PvP isn't just "size matters". i mean, i've seen plenty of commercials on late at night if the only thing you care about is size, they can help. if you want to quit complaining and actually PvP and have fun, learn how to use a tackle frig effectively

what most of the players in this thread have said can be summed up by that list but that 4th point isn't bad. just because you are not the person shooting someone in a fight, doesn't make you useless.

the biggest problem that you seem to have is that there has been a lot of good advice given and you are too stubborn and incompetent to make use of it, all you see is "oh my frig that i can fly WELL isn't good for shooting" and then you have shut down.

EvE is a social game, play it how you will, but playing with a group of players who A) enjoy playing like you do and B) have some experience or want to gain experience with you will make the game MUCH more enjoyable for you and them. take the advice or leave it, but QUIT COMPLAINING that no one is giving you good advice, because they are, you have just been ignoring it
Snezz Boscone
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#120 - 2013-06-29 21:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Snezz Boscone
Six Six Six wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun


You're doing it wrong™. Faction warfare systems? What kind of player do you expect to meet there, and what kind of ship, fitting and skill levels do you think they're going to be packing?


faction warfare is market as the way to get into PvP so I expect people with tech 1 stuff like mee yet the people I see in these systems are all veterens of atleast a year.

There is no one in this game it seems who are actually flying basic ships.




It may have changed but I seem to remember when FW was first introduced that it was not aimed at new players.




FW can be real tricky and frustrating. I am terrible at PvP also, but RVB is awesome...look at my killboard.
I joined about 3 weeks ago and I have contributed to over 75 kills in that time. RvB regularly has events to prime rookies for PvP, and you learn all kinds of wonderful things on how to be a better combat pilot

good luck o7

never posting from my phone again.