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PvP is totally uncompetitive and unfair

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#61 - 2013-06-29 05:04:22 UTC
Sure thing.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#62 - 2013-06-29 05:08:34 UTC
See sig and the posts within about about the EVE skill system.

In short: no.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-06-29 05:20:45 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Somebody losed a duel.....


Damn, man. Learn to spell lol

Is losed even a word?
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Just looked it up and "Losed" used to be a word but it is now obsolete.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-06-29 05:40:35 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


The Real Thing

Bear

Never get near a granny with a knife (or shotgun)!

Meet ya on the Battlefield!Blink

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2013-06-29 06:33:13 UTC
"This rifter cost me nothing, all the mods were looted from rats, I dont think my guns have ammo. I just tackled a dread for my fleet."

Newbees. Effective from 30 minutes old and fearless warriors, never leave station without one.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#66 - 2013-06-29 06:45:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
"This rifter cost me nothing, all the mods were looted from rats, I dont think my guns have ammo. I just tackled a dread for my fleet."

Newbees. Effective from 30 minutes old and fearless warriors, never leave station without one.


Indeed. Ignorance of the danger you're in can be the ultimate courage. There are little forms of defense better than simply not giving a ****.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
#67 - 2013-06-29 08:10:50 UTC
If you insist upon being so precious about pixelated internet spaceships and fair fights you will never enjoy the game.

Big fish eat small fish. So go find some friends, form a massive swarm of enraged newbs and start throwing yourself recklessly at players with expensive gear.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#68 - 2013-06-29 09:03:24 UTC
Leper ofBacon wrote:
form a massive swarm of enraged newbs and start throwing yourself recklessly at players with expensive gear.

Goonswarm, the early days.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Apherolaz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-06-29 09:40:58 UTC
I've lost 100% of my solo PvP encounters. I've scored a few kills flying with corp mates, and that was almost enough to keep me around, but that means the only time i can actually have fun is when my corp mates are around - which is only a fraction of the time. I spend most of my time in plexes watching a timer count down - which is about as much fun as watching paint dry. I've unsubbed but i still have 1.5 months left.

PvP does suck when you are new. It really sucks. What amuses me is when people point out how some random newbie managed to kill some random veteran using only a Tech 1 frigate, and therefore PvP is perfectly viable for all newbies.

Truth is, it's not.


Guys with more skill points and more ISK will crush you every time. That is perfectly understandable, and not entirely a fault with the game per se, but more so a by product of the game being as old as it is now. The majority of the player base are veterans and it is only fair that they should have no troubles popping newbies.


If you insist on sticking around, you are going to have to accept the fact that all you are good for is padding the stats of better players - at least until you have 6 months of PvP skill training under your belt. Otherwise, play something else - there are loads of other great games on the market that provide a level playing field.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-06-29 09:48:43 UTC
Apherolaz wrote:
PvP does suck when you are new. It really sucks. What amuses me is when people point out how some random newbie managed to kill some random veteran using only a Tech 1 frigate, and therefore PvP is perfectly viable for all newbies.

Truth is, it's not.


Look at the killmail, that newbie is tagging along with maybe 3% of the damage done. He may even luck up with a killing blow.

But more chances than not -- because he doesn't have the defense skills, let alone advanced weapons skills -- he's but cannon fodder.

The ones claiming it's easy, is like in WoW when a level 90 looks back on what he can destroy at level 90 (not at level and without the twink gear). Happens in all games, everything is simple and easy with experience.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Zappity
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#71 - 2013-06-29 10:10:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Come on guys, it's not rocket science. Yes, it takes time to learn and not only skill points. But it isn't hard to have a blast with a young character. Zappity is only a few months old and she does fine in lowsec. Solo kills:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19516218
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19516220
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19516221
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19516222
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19437588
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19430934
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19430553
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19396642
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19390416
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19377926
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19376737
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19374626
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19362860
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19354119
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19336334
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19328222
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19286329
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19286002
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19285754
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19285432
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19285133
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19282916
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19271603
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19270986
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19270987
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19270988
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19240628
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19228949
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19223840
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19223682
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19180417
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19145428
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19120798
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19046993
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19046291
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18996780
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18992366
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18941109
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18941110
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18899589

...and I've run out of characters in the post. You get the point.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#72 - 2013-06-29 10:19:32 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Happens in all games, everything is simple and easy with experience.

That is the OP main problem ofc. That and his attitude.

He got overall good advice in EVE New Citizens Q&A. Ofc you can play an mmo solo. But you have to accept the fact you're doing it hardcore. Do not come to the forums complaining it is unfair.

Remove standings and insurance.

Seven Koskanaiken
Guerillas in the Mist
Outlanders United
#73 - 2013-06-29 10:22:58 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:

But when you break down the statistics, you have a logi player with 0% of the only score that matters...DPS.

EvE doesn't even break down role scores, yet there's only one score that matters (and what you'll be judged for).

Logistics player = healer. Why would I want to be judged by 0% of DPS, and not say something like this?

Someone will hopefully remind you to go back to wow.

Everyone fighting to help test keep those moons it sold to that guy: make sure to put a gun on your logistics. Every single highslot spent on getting on killmails helps, thanks.


No warrior I on the market. No logi for me today,
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#74 - 2013-06-29 10:24:06 UTC
Eve, a Harsh universe - Says so on the box.



Fairness is relative to the largest side.
Blade Mosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-06-29 10:38:30 UTC
You have unrealistic expectations from your actions.

Join a pvp corp and learn.

Now where did that beer go?!

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
#76 - 2013-06-29 10:48:32 UTC
A few months ago a couple of friends and I made a brand new characters of various races, trained to use a warp disruptor an AB and basic T1 weaponry and went pvping in less than 24 hours. We won a surprising number of engagements, there were 4 or 5 of us, sometimes we solo'd or in pairs and sometimes all 5 of us. We had an enormous amount of fun for a couple of weeks, in fact some of the best fun Ive had in a long time. In fact I may just do it again.

So basically, op doesn't have clue what he is talking about.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#77 - 2013-06-29 11:14:26 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
A few months ago a couple of friends and I made a brand new characters of various races, trained to use a warp disruptor an AB and basic T1 weaponry and went pvping in less than 24 hours. We won a surprising number of engagements, there were 4 or 5 of us, sometimes we solo'd or in pairs and sometimes all 5 of us. We had an enormous amount of fun for a couple of weeks, in fact some of the best fun Ive had in a long time. In fact I may just do it again.

So basically, op doesn't have clue what he is talking about.

There is a difference between your newb alts and the OP, that difference is experience, the ships are fine, the modules are fine and the skills available to a newbie are fine.

Experience only comes with time and practice just as it does in real life, but yeah even the greenest of newbies can dive straight into PvP and get in on kills while they gain the experience. The best way to learn to PvP is to do it, preferably with friends.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#78 - 2013-06-29 11:16:19 UTC
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#79 - 2013-06-29 11:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
1) life isn't fair despite politically correct fairy tales - it's strange to expect coders could make a game better than life;

2) for slightly more fair starship PvP you may want to check Star Conflict - and even in that relatively simple game you'll be unfairly beaten (a lot) once you'll reach tier2.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2013-06-29 11:24:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


My corp of new players killing people in t1 frigates and t1 cruisers with t1 guns would like to prove you wrong on that.

I even got older player that only ever knew missioning and mining joining corp.

http://camp.killmail.org/

Even if you decided to swallow your great big crocodile tears long enough to try and join them. I won't allow a sniffling little cry baby like you to join anyway. Even If you had the joining fee.

You got the wrong attitude for pvp.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk