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At least the Oracle has tracking problems (even with tracking rigs fitted), when any propulsion mod is active, and even with base speed it is obvious that the tracking is affected.

For the Oracle, remove the cap usage per level and replace it with a tracking bonus. It should have the damage per level bonus and a tracking per level bonus.

Facepalm....

Guys, these ships are meant to be PvP / Demolition ships, and their natural enemies are Frigates. Not being able to hit Frigates or having little tank is a good thing.

Nope, if anything move the Naga completely to hybrids and fix them. Caldari have quite enough missile ships, we don't need any more. What we need is a competitive gun platform. I'm quite tired of getting pidgeon - holed to "oh look yet another Pve ship".

Talos

This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.

How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.

Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.


Talos

While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.

Developer: Creo Dron

Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.

Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level.
10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.

Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.



6 high slots
5 med slots
6 low slots

Drone Bandwidth 125m3
Drone Bay 375m3

And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.

But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.

Max level
Drone Bandwidth 250m3
Drone Bay 625m3

That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.

And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.

I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big and it still makes the loss of drones harmfull if it go's on to long or aoe dmg is cleaning the clock on your drones.

And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.

Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way.

Edit

Because there's no point in a missile BC with battleship missiles? It's much more likely for the hybrids to be fixed than for torpedoes (or cruise missiles) to be fixed. Plus, missiles are useless or less useful in most pvp scenarios than guns, especially when "long range" is involved. Just like the raven mostly isn't used (and hasn't been used) in pvp, that would be the end for a missile based Naga. Now, if CCP is willing to give the Naga full bonuses for both hybrids and missiles, then good! I'm all for it. But given the choice, hybrid is the way to go.

Missiles don't need to be "Fixed" and who said the Tier3 BC's were meant for long range. I see these ships as much bigger Stealth Bombers, in-fire-out. Plus just cause you can't fit a raven for PvP doesn't mean they don't get used.

10x Torp Naga's warp to a member at 10km and throw a 70,000 - 80,000 Alpha at something, it will hurt.


BTW- I don't have any Gunnery Skills and would need about 3mill+ in gunnery to be any good VS. 3 days extra skillin to fly the Talos, problem solved!

Sorry but training time should never be taken in account when comparing ships, if not relative to one another. You always have the choice to cross train. I'm caldari, but that doesn't mean I fly only Caldari. As a matter of fact right now I can fly the Tornado better than an hybrid Naga since I'm training Large Autocannon Spec to 5, while large blasters are still at 4. Which means that I'm not asking what I'm asking "for me", since I can already fly what will probably be the best tier 3 BC anyway.

Double Post

Look, I wouldn't mind an effective, mass pvp-usable missile battleship. Fact is, we're not going to get it anytime soon, if ever. Which saddens me, honestly. But, as they say, strike while the iron is hot: hybrids are on the table, might as well fix them and get a working Naga than getting a Siege Naga and hoping for it to become useful sometime in the far future. And again, if CCP lets the naga have 4 bonuses, for hybrids and siege as well, then GOOD! but I find it quite unlikely given the history of ship balancing.

i've spent lots of time on test server the last two days....

fom the new tier3 bc I,ve only tested the tornado, naga and talosso far.
have to take closer look on the oracle tomorrow, so the only thing i can say about it for now is that i really like the ship model - whoever created it is a "grandmaster of spaceship design"!! :D

the tornado:
very nice ship. we'll certainly see lots of those on tq. it's agile and fast, its versatile, it's bonuses suit well for minmatar playing style...some ppl even say it's a bit OP, but i think its ok as long as it doesn't completely outperform a typhoon...

the naga:
not sure what its role should be. with rails it feels like a pocket-rokh, with torpedos like a pocket-raven and with blasters it outperforms the talos...perhaps the devs should rethink what purpose this ship should have and change the bonuses accordingly..

the talos:
atm for me its the perfect example why blasterboats don't perform well. on paper good dmg, but a ship that has no speed advantage over its opponents and basicly no tank.
when fitted rails however it's a bc version of a megathron since it has the same bonuses.
to me this tier3 bc needs the the most attention - again should it be a railboat or a blaster boat? the first could work very well, the second will need fundamental changes in gallente doctrin...

btw. why not trying sth like this:
give blasters much better tracking, remove tracking bonuses from blaster boats and give them a massive afterburner speed boost.
this would make balster boats fast for closing in on opponents, without increasing their signature making them a giant flying target with a "shoot and kill me" label..
AND
since afterburners need less cap/pg people could actually fit active tanks on gallente ships with active tanking bonuses...

this may not be the ultimate solution, but it could go a similar way...